Mati: I think there has been a general (I will use
this term in the loosest of meaning) that Bodvar SOL captures the
essence of
intellect from the western metaphysical perspective. Both Bo and I are
of
the opinion that there is no rival to SOL in the eastern metaphysical
tradition that dominated the social level and propelled intellect to
what it
is I will also concede that at this point nobody has been able to
approach this question of eastern metaphysical understanding as a
context for intellect. Therefore because it hasn't been
thoroughly approached in this manner doesn't mean it is automatically
disqualified as intellect, it just means that it hasn't met the muster
that Bo has given to SOL as the heavyweight contender.
Ron:
It is not a contender because SOL only recognizes it's
own standard of what qualifies as intellect. S/O does not
originate in a culture with a language which is pictographic
and does not make a concrete/abstract distinction.
SOM came to the east via Alexander the great. It did
not catch on the way it did in indo-European languages.
It used deductive logic pragmatically but the linguistic
analytics did not translate.
abstract concepts like "is-ness" and "horseness" and
"white-ness" did not translate into a pictographic
lingual system.
The introduction of the Canaanite alpha bet along
with the word "is" into the Greek culture sparked
the question in the Greek mind, what does it mean
"to be" what does it mean to say that something
"is"? when the east was defining what was description
and what was experience. Making the observation to
"don't always believe what you think."
The Chinese dynasties begin around 1500 B.C. with their
culture dated around 3,000 B.C. about the time of the Sumar
developed Cuneform a pictographic language.
The Sumerians developed a precise system of mathematical
notation which was a major legacy given to the modern world.
this was their sexagesimal system. Inductive mathematics.
Around 2400 b.c., the first great warlord of western history, Sargon,
appeared. His language was Akkadian which is of the Semitic linguistic
family.
- he established the Akkadian kingdom which conquered all of Mesopotamia
and replaced the Sumerian language.
- around 2200 b.c., the Sumerians regained control of southern
Mesopotamia and the Akkadians and Sumerians became indistinguishable.
The Semitic languages are a family of languages spoken by more than 300
million people across much of the Middle East, North Africa, and the
Horn of Africa. They constitute the only branch of the Afro-Asiatic
language family spoken in Asia.
The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are Arabic[1] (325
million native speakers),[2] followed by Amharic (27 million),[3][4]
Tigrinya (about 6.7 million) [5], and Hebrew (about 5 million)[6].
Semitic languages were among the earliest to attain a written form, with
Eblaite and Akkadian writing beginning in an adapted cuneiform script
around the middle of the third millennium BC.
Mati, my point being that Semetic languages utilize a character or
grapheme, an abstract unit of text, whereas a glyph or pictogram,
is a graphical unit.
Abstraction arose from language type, by the time the Greeks emerged
from Canaanite and Babylonian influence they fused the concept of
"is " with inductive measurement. With the ability to distinguish
by virtue of their abstract characters, the distinction between
the abstract and the concrete or the measurable from the not
measurable in experience whereas pictographic languages did
not have this sort of flexibility in meaning.
Deductive reason allowed for accurate abstraction from the measurable.
the Greeks were already working from the assumptions of the
civilizations
who ruled and influenced them thousands of years before their rise.
By the time Alexander ruled Semetic languages ruled and being a student
of Aristotle spread deductive analytical reason and the koinic dialect
or "common tongue" of Greek S/O speech. The speech that became the Greek
that Rome eventually adopted for it's formal language. For 3,000 yrs
by virtue of military conquest did SOL become the "heavy weight" by
default. Not by it's sheer intellectual superiority alone.
If the Chinese dynasties would have conquered all of asia and Europe,
dominated the trade and language for the past 3,000 yrs, you can bet
your pants that SOM and SOL would be a minor footnote in the greater
empirical history of Chinese eastern culture.
but you're right Mati, Bo saying it's so is a much more solid case
than all this history and linguistics stuff I dug up.
I've approached this subject many times and supported all of it with
research and reference. Yet you or Bo refuse to acknowledge any of it.
-Ron
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