Hello Christoffer, where have you been?
Oh, it's been a nice, but reclusive summer. It's been hard to get into any kind of debate-mood, but I'm back in Lund now, and that's quite stimulating in itself =)
[Chris before]
> Comrades. Hope you all are well. I had a thought for a topic that I > think was discussed some time ago but I also have the distinct > feeling we got sidetracked (The MOQ_Discuss - sidetracked? > Impossible!)
;-)
> Anyway the question I wanted to ask you was what criticism you have > heard against the MOQ - the best and the worst - and perhaps how you > would answer to it?
[Bo] The worst attacks are the alleged defenses of it. The early bad reviews of LILA are child's play compared to the said phenomena. SOM is equal to academy and its "dee-Dewey-da-James-dum..." approach to the MOQ is its death knell. The MOQ turns light-year wide circles around academical philosophology.
[Platt] Right. The only philosophology that comes anywhere close to the MOQ is Plato's idea that the highest good is Beauty.
I agree. But I assume that we all (perhaps with an exception for Ham) will agree on the point that the whole of mankind would benefit of adapting a MOQ view in everything (a bit hard not to do it in everything when it is a metaphysics we are talking about =] ) but I think we also agree that his is something that isn't going to happen very fast - after all it took quite some time for SOM to take hold. Im just wondering what you think the main obstacle is - I mean what criticism that is the most important to address.
I have myself debated with a fair about of objectivists (not the Any Rand stuff, but the science guys who are SOM but say that there is nothing but matter) and it is infuriatingly difficult to get these people to understand that A) their idea of scientific truth is based on a metaphysic in the first place and B) that there is any use in re-examining this metaphysic.
The most annoying one I talked to keept insisting that values are objects too, that soon we would be able to observe specific "things" in the brain that determines what we value, and therefore he didn't see any use in re-examine his philosophical base for conducting his scientific work.
In short, he is out there expanding his knowledge in Good old SOM fashion - working for the intellectual level indeed - and so how do I get him to see the value in the MOQ?
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