DM: True, but it only helps you understand a little tiny bit, worth 
mentioning, but if you bang on about it you sound like a control freak or 
a reductionist but I am sure you are not like that after a good drink and
the chaos is  obvious. 

[Krimel]
If I sound at all like that I am being radically misunderstood. In fact what
I am saying is exactly the opposite of that. In his more manic moments dmb
has rattled on accusing me of embracing "the myth of the given". I have
attempted to show that this is not so. But I do think that what dmb and
several others suffer from is attachment to "the myth of control".  





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