On Tuesday 9 September 12:08 AM Bo writes to Joe: <snip>
Yes, the MOQ glasses reveals a DQ/SQ reality which is made up of four static levels. DQ's urge to escape the pending static stage, but creating a new one in the process, we know. We also know that it is immoral for a lower level to "devour" the higher, so it's deeply wrong to use the MOQ for promoting the old social avatarish view of reality. And it's not just Arlo. DMB is just as much a sinner here by his insisting that the MOQ is just another virtual "acting" reality. Bo PS This is my age old worry that a misunderstood MOQ is a "dangerous idea". It's the intellect-bio coalition to quell society moved one stage upwards when the said misunderstood "moq" joins forces with society to undermine intellect. Pirsig may have released an unruly Genie if not the SOL interpretation is approved quickly. Hi Bo an all, There are three posts I have recently read that confuse me. One by Ron composed of just symbols. A lot by Arlo: ³No more and no less a role that any of the multiplicity.. One by Marsha to Arlo: ³I no longer think we have a shared understanding of "honesty" or trust. I just don't..² Bo, you see a present danger in a misunderstood static MOQ. I can see that the possibility of a social ³avatar² used for experience denies the trust placed in a conscious, immediate undefined evolution of undefined dq to the social level. Social dq is denied. The intellectual level is an orphan and useless. Only the organic level evolves from the inorganic level, and mathematics is the only language of truth. I guess the organic level developed mathematics. What is consciousness? This whole process seems to be an incomplete metaphysics. I agree without the combination of the defined and the undefined present in SOL evolution is denied. Slavery is the only solution to help me find a way out. IMO Evolution to an intellectual level cannot proceed from an unconscious ³avatar². With no comprehensible social or intellectual level Ham is correct, evolution is not possible. The boundaries of a social and intellectual level are destroyed, and evolution is denied to an avatar? I am slave to nothing, a nihilist! Joe On 9/9/08 12:08 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Joe. > > 5 Sep. you wrote: > >> Previously when I considered what I know, I used to follow >> Aristotle¹s theory of abstraction for knowledge. .... > > You are a welcome relief from the chatterbugs who have found a new > way to avoid the MOQ (virtual reality, avatars etc.) instead of applying > the MOQ to these things. The gods in human and/or animal guises > (avatars) belonged to the mythological pre-intellect past when gods > and mortals weren't separated. i.e: a virtual/flexible reality. This was > replaced by an era where there's only one TRUE (to become > "objective") reality and the past became a result of human imagination > (to become "subjective"). > > You are right about Aristotle, he was one of the first SOMist when the > new intellectual level had started to wield its influence and knowledge > had become approximations to the said truth. The closer to truth the > better the theory, but never IT, theories irredeemable belong to the > abstract realm. > >> After reading Pirsig I accepted a direct experience of knowledge. I >> agree the MoQ IS a virtual reality game. The MOQ is a set of glasses. >> In an MoQ format I can¹t take them off. As a Hero, I don¹t need no >> stinkin¹ glasses! > > Yes, the MOQ glasses reveals a DQ/SQ reality which is made up of > four static levels. DQ's urge to escape the pending static stage, but > creating a new one in the process, we know. We also know that it is > immoral for a lower level to "devour" the higher, so it's deeply wrong to > use the MOQ for promoting the old social avatarish view of reality. And > it's not just Arlo. DMB is just as much a sinner here by his insisting that > the MOQ is just another virtual "acting" reality. > > Bo > > PS > This is my age old worry that a misunderstood MOQ is a "dangerous > idea". It's the intellect-bio coalition to quell society moved one stage > upwards when the said misunderstood "moq" joins forces with society > to undermine intellect. Pirsig may have released an unruly Genie if not > the SOL interpretation is approved quickly. > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
