Hi all, the rape example makes me think again; I had generally sided with Arlo's point of view till that post came up - I still do, except that example shows the discussion is far from resolved. I think Arlo's response that the body is raped but not the mind is not is typical SOM thinking (don't take that personally Arlo - we all do that most of the time anyway IMO).
Body and mind are inextricably connected, one does not exist without the other. I've had situations where my mind rationalises that everything is OK but my body tells me otherwise and becomes twitchy and ill. Likewise when the body is ill, then mental functioning is reduced (except Hawking). Avatars are simply a means of self-expression as is choosing a particular set of clothes in the morning; they represent an aspect of self. Our behaviour is based on what others think of us compounded by how that makes us feel. It's very mysterious. -Peter 2008/9/17 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 04:15 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote: > >> Er no Marsha ... I am absolutely saying IT DOES MATTER. >> >> (I was disagreeing with "it just doesn't matter".) >> >> And notice that "trust" matters to Case too (if not Krimel) and Arlo >> too I'll wager. I think the debate is about what that trust is based >> on, not whether it matters. >> >> Ian. >> > > > Well if it makes everyone _feel_ better, I'm angry at myself that it > matters. I'm out of it. I don't want to be a part of this dumb drama... > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > At 03:34 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Marsha, Arlo, Krim, >> >> >> >> Would it help Marsha if I said I agree with the intent of everything >> >> Arlo and Krim are saying, except for "it just doesn't matter". >> >> >> >> I think you already know "it matters". My feeling is that "the way it >> >> matters" is the point of miscommunication between you (all), and the >> >> reason you (Marsha) "fear" the argument is missing your original >> >> point. >> >> >> >> Ian >> >> (I'll get me coat ...) >> > >> > >> > Maybe you think it shouldn't matter, but it does. It does. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > [Marsha] >> >> > Unless Arlo-Krimel-SA is setting the rules for this entire forum, how >> >> > is one to know which posters are NOT playing the >> >> > avatar-multiple-identity >> >> > game? >> >> > >> >> > [Arlo] >> >> > Why does it matter to you if Arlo, Krimel and SA share the same body? >> >> > In any event, I've told you repeatedly that neither Krimel nor SA are >> >> > "variations of Arlo". You can appeal to Horse if you think I am >> >> > lying. Unless he is "Arlo" as well. In that case, what are you going >> to >> >> > do? >> >> > >> >> > [Krimel] >> >> > Let me add that neither of us has any power to convince you of the >> >> > foolishness of thinking we have the same host. We would have no >> better >> >> > luck >> >> > in convincing you that the earth is round if you are believe it is >> flat >> >> > or >> >> > that your fascination with Buddhist thought arises as much from its >> >> > novelty >> >> > as from the sense it makes. If you really think that it is possible >> to >> >> > convince someone to abandon their foolishness and see the light I >> >> > encourage >> >> > you to continue your dialogue with Ham and see how far it gets. I >> >> > suggest >> >> > you will get no further than either Arlo or I have gotten in >> convincing >> >> > you >> >> > that we are each animated by different corporeal hosts but that >> either >> >> > way >> >> > it just doesn't matter. >> >> > >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> > Archives: >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> > >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> > . >> > . >> > >> > Shoot for the moon. 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