Marsha,

    Here's one reason why I've always had difficulty believing 
all static patterns are conceptual.  That's why I talk about tiny skull.  
The universe is bigger than what's in our head, thereby pointing out 
that what is in our head:  thoughts, concepts, intellectual static patterns 
of value, are not all that we can come up with about this world.  Trees 
are here too:

ZMM (Chapter 25):
"This inner peace of mind
occurs on three levels of understanding. 
Physical quietness seems the easiest
to achieve, although there are 
levels and levels of this too, as attested by
the ability of Hindu 
mystics to live buried alive for many days. Mental
quietness, in 
which one has no wandering thoughts at all, seems more difficult, 
but can be achieved. But value quietness, in which one has no 
wandering desires
at all but simply performs the acts of his life 
without desire, that seems the
hardest."

woods continues:
    I'm particularly noticing that mental or thoughts, concepts are one 
way of understanding, at least in accord with this excerpt from ZMM.  
Values, including intellectual static pattern of values, are something 
distinct from only thoughts or concepts.  Thoughts and concepts are 
intellectual values, but mental quietness is another value of intellect.  
Also, all the other static patterns of value:  inorganic, organic, social, 
thereby 
are not intellectual static pattern of value (spov).  These are values, not 
mental.  Up 
above Pirsig is pointing out physical, mental, and a distinct third level of 
understanding called value.


woods  


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