Marsha,
Here's one reason why I've always had difficulty believing
all static patterns are conceptual. That's why I talk about tiny skull.
The universe is bigger than what's in our head, thereby pointing out
that what is in our head: thoughts, concepts, intellectual static patterns
of value, are not all that we can come up with about this world. Trees
are here too:
ZMM (Chapter 25):
"This inner peace of mind
occurs on three levels of understanding.
Physical quietness seems the easiest
to achieve, although there are
levels and levels of this too, as attested by
the ability of Hindu
mystics to live buried alive for many days. Mental
quietness, in
which one has no wandering thoughts at all, seems more difficult,
but can be achieved. But value quietness, in which one has no
wandering desires
at all but simply performs the acts of his life
without desire, that seems the
hardest."
woods continues:
I'm particularly noticing that mental or thoughts, concepts are one
way of understanding, at least in accord with this excerpt from ZMM.
Values, including intellectual static pattern of values, are something
distinct from only thoughts or concepts. Thoughts and concepts are
intellectual values, but mental quietness is another value of intellect.
Also, all the other static patterns of value: inorganic, organic, social,
thereby
are not intellectual static pattern of value (spov). These are values, not
mental. Up
above Pirsig is pointing out physical, mental, and a distinct third level of
understanding called value.
woods
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