[DMB]
I appreciate your generosity to some extent but it's wrong to assign equal 
blame to "both sides". To do so would be a case of "grotesque even-handedness".

[Arlo]
Fair enough, and I'd agree. I see nowhere near the hatred for McCain in 
"leftist" channels that I see for Obama in the "rightist" media. Indeed, I 
think (as I just wrote to KO) that one reason for Obama's win was his 
consistent rising above such deplorable rhetoric. And, going back over the 
elections of my lifetime, I have seen nowhere near the level of hatred and 
outright _fear_ being regurgitated and reinforced by media channels. My family 
were ardent Carter supports (I still am), but they never accused Ford of being 
malicious, traitorous, evil, an enemy of liberty, etc. Nor did I hear our 
neighbors at the time make such accusations about Carter. I recall very vocal 
political exchanges on the porch, heated even, but never once did it approach 
even the barest similarity to what I hear daily on the Hannity or Levin shows. 
As I said before, it must have been embarrassing for McCain to have to defend 
Obama during his own event from those whose level of
 involvement teeters on the insane. But as you correctly point out, this is the 
crowd pandered to and riled up by those who would exploit fear and xenophobia 
to advance their political agenda. My point was only that it is not a "all 
them, never us" issue.



woods:
   Yeah, and then some liberals such as Rachel Maddow thinks Russia is putting 
their missiles in the Polish 
direction because Obama is now President-elect.  So unaware, but then again 
there's so much 
I don't know about yet either.  Follow the advisors and keep up on world 
events, not just thinking 
the way the world will be found in U.S. politics alone.  Russia's doing this 
cause the 
U.S. and NATO is building up their arms in Poland and such, I think in the 
Czech Republic as well.  
And the U.S. and NATO is doing this cause they are saying Russia invaded and 
started the conflict 
in Georgia so now Russia is being the old aggressor again.  
    Another story in this is Russia is also against how this 
World Financial System is being made (next summit in a week).  Their not 
against 
a World Financial System, just the current way it is being layed out (so is 
China by 
the way).  So the same-old game is being played out again.  Increase in arms.  
The liberals will fight their wars too.  Not in the name of 
the same causes as those leaving the White House have labeled theirs, 
(accept maybe Pakistan with the continuance on the War on Terror), but 
Obama none the less will have his reasons too to keep the war machine churning. 
 
The Military Industrial Complex will have it no other way.  Feed the empire.  
The 
banker bailouts will increase.  And check-mate on the U.S. people.
   This two-party argument is really simplistic don't you think?  This us and 
them...  It's more 
diverse than this and more beauracratic than this.  Mel made so many good 
points.  
    Obama will keep those same scary plans that Bush had made into policy in 
place.  Wouldn't 
that be the real change.  Not because he's soo calm, but that he'll actually 
tear down 
those same policies Bush put into place that everybody got so freak out about 
Bush in the 
first place.  Just cause Obama's in charge of those same policies doesn't make 
those 
policies all of a sudden good now.  
    Obama will come across so lovey, dovey, and people will rise from the grass 
roots to 
physically defend this guy.  But as I said... I pray I'm wrong, but I have my 
doubts.


woods 


      
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