Ham: Most of the above is an argument to refute Bo's assertion that the Intellectual Level is SOM. As a "non-levelist", I see this as beating a dead horse.
Andre: Apparently it isn't dead and putting it in the context of: let's throw it away, let's not waste time on this anymore isn't very useful Never throw anything away, I'd say....as it may come in useful someday...depending on the outcomes you want. Ham: But Reason IS confined to being informed by the objective world. That's what reasoning is. To intellectualize is to reason objectively. Can anyone deny this? Andre: Depends on what you are intellectualising about. Just in case you haven't noticed Ham, (and I mean this with respect but am also a little facitious) Reason is grounded in the objective world but there are also, what is called social and intellectual patterns runing around. Reason wants to make sense of and explain these patterns based on its 'objectively derived' logic. Problem is, humans do not act like in- and organic patterns of value. One needs a new formulation for this. The MoQ provides one. We really need to re-define the definition of Reason, and its concommittant method of reasoning. Ham: Consider this statement by Ayn Rand: "Reason is man's only proper judge of values and his only proper guide to action." By propitious use of both capabilities, he has the power to change his world for the betterment of himself and his fellow creatures. Andre: I would like to change this into: Static PoV's ought to be properly judged by our Int. PoV's to guide us to better action, better reasoning, better utilizing our capabilities and thereby creating a better world (by remaining responsive to DQ). Also, respectfully submitted, Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
