Hi Ian 29 Nov.you wrote:
> That's how I look at it Steve. > (1) seeing the MOQ as an intellectual pattern that is superior to the > intellectual pattern known as SOM (2) as opposed to seeing all of > intellect as SOM (IOW Pirsig's MOQ) (3) and the MOQ as a single > pattern forming it's own new level (IOW Bo and Platt's revised SOLAQI > MOQ)? > Though I have to say I see (1) a the Pirsigian MoQ since as I have > said endlessly in this recent series of threads he never says anything > close to (2) "all of intellect being SOM" IMHO. He was just ahead of > his time in evolutionary explanations for (1). > (2) plus (3) are the Bo problem. Bo problem, my foot. The SOL is a solution of a problem that orthodoxy has imposed on the MOQ and if it is the to make it out of this faithful circle it can't be hampered with such a blatant violence of logic. It's useless to comment this - water on a goose - so I wait for Steve's, he is orthodox but seems susceptible to logic. Bo > But, pragmatically, even though I prefer the simpler view of MoQ as a > superior evolved intellectual pattern, I have no problem with MoQ as a > (superior) pattern inside or outside the existing intellectual level, > as I must have said to Bo a hundred times. (The only problem with the > separate level / layer / thing view of the MoQ itself is this > interminable objective definitional one ... but that's not something a > pragmatist loses any sleep over. Which is your point.) > > The practical consequences are that MoQ is a superior (participative, > inclusional, involved, unified) "quality" way of thinking about the > world than a detached, objective, dualist, SOMist view. End of. > > A practical side-effcet is that MoQist thinkers are accused of being > "unscientific" and "faithful" since they are unable to define their > arguments (completely) in the standard objective, syllogistic, > cause/effect terms that SOMist "received wisdom" would recognize. > Something I've always called "Catch-22". A burden to bear. But it > can't be solved by such argumentation, only by actions - actions > including evolution of minds by reproduction over generations - like > anything else in fact ;-) > > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
