Hi Bo, You wrote:
> There was a time when I called the MOQ a 5th. level, but that's left > long ago. Still that of intellect a sub-set of the Quality system and thus > incapable of containing the system itself stands tall, Pirsig is the one > that uses it, and after all the MOQ is a metaphysics and supposed to > be above itself. Logic is not suspended. I think to be "above itself" the MOQ has to be at a higher level. But, let it rest for now. > This about a system's relationship to itself is important. In lesser > systems (if the problem ever comes up) for instance General Relativity > SOM relegates it to Einstein's mind and to the mind of those who learn > it. And I'm afraid this is what Pirsig in LILA's diluted intellectual > level > also does. The MOQ is an idea located at the intellectual level > because this had become "mind" (not as Phaedrus envisaged it: as > SOM) However the MOQ is supposed to replace SOM and has no > more mind than it has substance. When Pirsig equated "mind" with the intellectual level he fell smack dab into the SOM trap of the mind/matter division after spending an entire book explaining why such a division (SOM) was shortsighted. Why he felt a tired, old, static division was necessary to explain a bright new MOQ level is a mystery to me. Seems he forgot his own cautionary analogy: "If you want to drink new tea you have to get rid of the old tea that's in your cup, otherwise your cup just overflows and you get a wet mess." (Lila, 2) As Hardy said to Laurel (and we might say to Pirsig),"This is a fine mess you got us into." Best, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
