Hi Plumber Joe 5 Dec. you responded to my my question:
Bo before: > > Almost all creatures sleep, thus when an animal wakes up it must be to a > > state different from oblivion. Is this state a weaker version of the > > human "selfconsciousness" (nineteenth century thinkers spoke about > > "slumber"). Animals are known for their alertness and do not slumber. > > Please address this issue before going on it seems to be much like > > Phaedrus' "hot stove" insight that obviously launched him om his > > Q-track, but no one seems to understand. I have tried the "sleep" > > question on a lot of people without receiving a single response. Joe: > A wonderful question. Does a rock sleep? It is worn smooth by the > brook. It is melted by volcanic action. It flies into space from > volcanic explosions. A rock sleeps underground, and is awakened by the > erosion in the riverbed. Sunlight warms it and makes it grow beyond > its boundaries. Freezing water is irresistible and it splits. I thought it was a straightforward question, but you either didn't understand it or evaded it. Sleep is a biological phenomenon and - again - animals that sleep must necessarily wake up to a state different from oblivion, yet animals aren't supposed to "have" consciousness so what is the state they wake up to? IMO this wrecks SOM's most pompous concept consciousness. > Sleep is a state of being. My bones are awake while my consciousness > sleeps! But what kind of consciousness is it that shuts down when a dog or a bird or a fish fall asleep? This is what it's about. Only humans are supposed to be (have) consciousness - at least the "hey, I am a human being" type - but can there be an unconscious consciousness? It's here that the MOQ supplies an answer by introducing "value perception" instead of the consciousness hoax. > Does a single cell have different functions? Conscious cells sleep and > re-supply their energy base in order to operate at full capacity. What > if they haven¹t been trained in how to operate? Then, they know only > sleep or awake! Nothing in between, like when to rest for a greater > challenge. Your deliberations may be valid, but a bit off regarding my question so I leave it here in the hope that you will be a bit more to the point .... if you care to pursue the issue that is?. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
