Hello Marsha, If you are asking for my personal motivation making these statements I guess I have to say that the abstract meaning of pre-socratic philosophers were often mis-interpreted. I think we can trace where, how and why these concepts emerged and evolved. I also think that it illustrates the types of discussions that have been current here on the forum, Ham takes a traditional rationalist view where as Bo takes a traditional materialist view. All of our arguements with them take the shape of expressing to them the myth of entity. I feel if we know the basis of our arguements we have a better chance at demonstrating why we think this understanding has greater value to someone who views it as tossing any kind of meaning out the window.
________________________________ From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:14:45 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason Ron, I think I get this part. Marsha At 09:43 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >Hello Marsha, >Reason and materialism are myths. > >The myth of truth overshadowed the myth of excellence. But lets be certain, > >"A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds special >significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and >expresses systems >of thought and values. Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth >nor the falseness of the narrative. To the source culture, however, a myth by >definition is "true," in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of >questioning and making sense of the world." > > > > > >________________________________ >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:34:33 AM >Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason > > >Hi Ron, > >I still don't get where you are coming from. You've gathered >together a different set of patterns. From reading what you've >written, there is much left out. It's probably on your mind. Or at >least, it's not on my mind. This is not really a problem. Read >recently the journey is the destination. But if you have the >patience to expand a little more, I might get it and you might go >deeper. It's up to you. You obviously have given this a lot of >consideration. But maybe I'm so charmed by these translucent >patterns, that for me this is not the time for logic. > >I wanted to you to know I am interested. > > >Marsha > > > >At 09:09 AM 12/11/2008, you wrote: > >Hello Marsha, > >It is of my opinion "IS" has the place of defining the concept of entity. > >I've thought long and hard about "entity", Plato called it form, > >Heraticlus Logos. The common understanding we share, as a culture > >and as human patterns. > > > >Whats really interesting is how I see the modern western struggle of > >materialism and rationalism > >really representing the difference in defining entity in the way > >that Plato and Aristotle > >commonly represent. Material form vs rational form that both rest on > >the concept of > >entity-ship as what "is". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:24:58 AM > >Subject: Re: [MD] The Myth of Reason > > > > > > > >Greetings Ron, > > > >I've read your essay, but I did not understand what exactly you were > >getting at. And this post, too, leaves me puzzled. I'm in the > >pattern mode of exploration, and maybe that's inhibiting my > >understanding. From your title, I do think I agree with you. I have > >settled on inductive and deductive logic as useful tools. Not sure > >about 'is'. Is it somehow like the scalpel in carving up reality? > > > >Marsha > > > > > > > >At 03:53 PM 12/9/2008, you wrote: > > >To all, > > >In my essay "the function of form" I trace the origins of SOM > > >To the Hebrew word "is" and how it effected Greek thought. > > >In it I state that Parmenides concluded that "is" or being or > > >awareness, always was. That logos, the common understanding, > > >the abstract, always existed. > > >Plato argued that logos was form. Aristotle maintained that it > > >was the arguement from the particular experience to a universal > > >understanding. > > >Logos is the root word of logic. Logos in christianity was made flesh > > >and worshiped as God. > > >Parmenides maintained that the only way to realize truth was through > > >abstract thought, through reason. > > >Logos is the pivotal Greek ideal that wrought SOM. > > >The worship of logic as God > > > > > >Heraclitus popularized the word and as I believe was often misunderstood. > > >Heraclitus proclaimed that the world was constatnly in flux and that > > >only through > > >the abstract universal understanding of things may any sort of order > > >be derived. > > >He stated: > > >"all things come to pass in accordance with this word" and "the word > > >is common." > > >It is "the account which governs the universe (ta hola, the whole)." > > > > > > >. > >. > > > >Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.......... > >. > >. > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >. >. > >Shoot for the moon. 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