Hi Marsha, [Marsha] > > > What about Annotation 29 in LILA's Child? Seems to me RMP is > stating > > > that the "sefl" does not exist independent of the patterns of all > four > > > levels. > > > > > > "29. The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a > > > "self" that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or > > > intellectual patterns. There is no "self" that contains these > > > patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees > > > with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In > > > Zen, there is reference to "big self" and "small self." Small > > > self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality." > > > (LILA's Child)
[Platt] > >Agree. Individuals consist of the four levels and the individual level, > >like other levels, is dependent on levels below it. > > > >Pirsig refers to the human individual many times in Lila, most notably > in > >his long story about the brujo and, of course, Lila herself. > > > >"Scientific knowledge" above probably refers to dedicated materialists > who > >believe the notion of "I" or self is a handy hallucination created by > >neurons firing in the brain. "Religious mysticism" probably refers to > seers > >who believe the "small self" is a chip off the big block of Buddha, or > in > >the Christian religion, a child of God. > > Hi Platt, > > Maybe, but Buddha isn't an entity. What would you say Buddha is? A big self? A hallucination? > >That the individual holds a high place in the Pirsig's philosophy is > >evidenced by his writing in ZAMM: "My personal feeling is this is how > >further improvement in the world will be done: by individuals making > >Quality decisions, and that's all." > > > >What do you think? > > Without defining precisely what the individual is or isn't, I think > 'Three cheers for Quality decisions!!!' Isn't someone like you, me or other human individual needed to make Quality decisions in response to Dynamic Quality? Platt > > > Marsha > > > > > > . > . > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the > stars......... > . > . > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
