Arlo / Andre...all, In that the Intellectual Level is more dynamic than the Social, which is more dynamic than the Biological in turn more so than the Physical; this makes the place of man prone to a greater dynamism in general by whole levels more. So, I suspect that was the way Pirsig was looking at things when he focused on man as uniquely responsive. (Capable of the most dynamic functions in the most dynamic layers.)
thanks--mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy. > [Arlo previously] > Before man appeared on the historical stage, what responded to Dynamic Quality? > Give me an example of something, some animal, plant, species, whatever that you > think responded to DQ before man appeared. I imagine you believe that SOMETHING > could respond to DQ before "man", so I ask you, what? > > [Andre] > Look around you and all will be revealed. Go to the forest, to the > supermarket,see a sunset/rise anything...all is the result of a response to DQ. > Some low, some high Quality. > > [Arlo] > I could not agree more. In fact, I've said many times that all patterns respond > to DQ, but their responses are constrained (and enabled!) by the level they > reside (and further by their complexity within that level). > > Thus an atom responds to DQ with only the limited and mundane repertoire made > possible and restricted by the inorganic level. An amoeba has a greater range > of possible responses, as its repertoire includes responses made possible only > at the biological level. A cat, although also constrained by the biological > level, has a greater range of responses due to its much greater complexity > within the level. > > The problem is that Platt claims (and to be fair, Pirsig suggests) that nothing > responds to DQ except for "man". Once again, I would then ask, if so then > "what" did respond to DQ before man? Give me an example of anything, anything > at all, that "responded to DQ" before man appears on the stage. > > If Platt had said "animals", then I would ask (and he knows this), give me an > example of how an animal may have responded to DQ in the past that it can no > longer do. Give me some evidence from history, anthropology, archeology, > whatever of an animal that did things in response to DQ, and what that was, all > things that animals today (in their non-DQness) can't do. > > I think you'll see how absurd that is revealed to be when you start asking > simple questions like these. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
