Greetings Krimel;
In your most helpful post on Sunday you said: . All of our experience is ultimately without "substance". Of course this is a bit unsatisfying. It leads down the road to pure idealism and pure solipsism. It lead people like you to claim that the real problem lies in the claim that "substance" causes or determines our sense of what is real. >From a purely empirical perspective sense data is said to arise from something that in principle can not be experienced. Kant recognizes this. When he is talking about TiTs Kant's claim is that apart from our sense data we can not have knowledge of TiTs. I take this to sync up with Pirsig holding "quality" undefined. Regardless of whether the world itself is pure ideas or pure substance, our world, the world we "know" is sense impression. Experience is sense impressions. What lies behind those impressions is viewed "as through a glass, darkly." I just have one comment: Maybe Kant suffers in translation, I've never been able to follow him unless someone else has first told me what he's saying. Schopenhauer and Ortega have been the most helpful and they say that Kant believed that we can only perceive reality by using a mind that has a preprogrammed bias. Our innate ability to understand time and space are his examples but a better metaphor for my money is our ability to learn. It is logically impossible to teach the ability to learn. If you can't learn then you'll never be able learn to learn. So we all must be born with the ability to learn. It must be programmed into the biology of our brains. This, of course, determines what we can learn and the form of our knowledge and means that can't even trust direct sense data. Ortega believes that this limits our ability to understand TiTs. He calls it our perspective. Unless we can find a way around this fact metaphysics can never be "T"rue only "t"rue. - david swift. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
