Ham, I don't think anyone said the MOQ "cannot be criticized by someone who 
doesn't accept Pirsig's concept of holistic Quality". I sure hope not, anyway, 
because that doesn't even make sense. You can't criticize it until you accept 
it? That's like saying you can't hate it until you love it. You simply can't 
criticize something until you understand what it is. This is not an arbitrary 
rule. It's a logical necessity. People keep asking you if you've read either of 
Pirsig's books because it's obvious that you don't understand what he's saying 
at all. (Have you ever answered that question?) The name of this thread is a 
dead give away, in fact. Pirsig's attack on objectivity is an attack on 
foundationalism and yet you criticize the MOQ for not having "a proper 
foundation". That's like criticizing a democracy for not having a proper King. 
It simply shows that you do not understand the basic concept that you pretend 
to criticize. Informed criticism is helpful and fun. It's a real game and a 
real fight about the actual issues but your "criticisms" are anything but that. 
I'm a little baffled as to why anyone responds to you at all. I'm not saying 
this just because I totally disagree with your covert theism and right-wing 
politics. That's not relevant to this much more important complaint, namely 
that when it comes to the MOQ you have no idea what you're talking about. 
Fortunately, this ignorance is easily cured. All you have to do is read the 
books and make something like a sincere effort to comprehend them. 

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