Craig, Krimel, Platt, Mel, Joe, Steve All
25 Jan. Craig wrote:
[Pirsig]
....the sun's heat decays... What on earth causes the
inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's
energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be
something else.
First thanks to Platt for launching these issues that goes to the
heart of the matter.
Coincidence would have it that Ham had asked me about Darwin's
"survival of the fittest" in our discussion. This theory does not really
concern the emergence of life, but it's evolution, yet I feel that it is
the emergence which is THE enigma.
> [Krimel]
> > I seriously can't imagine anyone who studies biology or basic
> > physics failing to understand that life on earth is a direct result
> > of the constant influx of solar radiation on our planet's surface.
> Pirsig isn't claiming that the sun's energy isn't a NECESSARY part of
> the existence of life on earth. But it cannot be the SOLE factor,
> since the sun's energy also is part of decay. Craig
Right, but again it's life's EMERGENCE that science fails to
explain. The sun obviously prevents any complex organic
compounds to last. Now, there are shades and ponds and a more
"pleasant" places and life was not very complex at first, yet it is a
mystery.
The MOQ's claim is that it combines creation and evolution.
"All life is a migration of static patterns of quality toward
Dynamic Quality."
This is the "creation" part while the MOQ (generally) accepts
Darwin's on evolution. I seem to remember that Pirsig at places
turns "towards dynamic" into "away from static" which says the
same. This doesn't offer any technicalities how inorganic carbon
turned into living organisms and at first glance it may look a bit like
the "Watchmaker" proof for God. Still, that is a Spirit doing magical
tricks to dead matter, while the Q-inorganic and Q-biological
patterns aren't matter and DQ isn't spirit.
Krimel said in this connection:
> BTW, there are theologians who claim God does not exist. I believe
> you will find far more of them than you will find biologists claiming
> that life springs from a supernatural source.
I agree, but then the above creation part isn't supernatural
because the S/O distinction (in this case supernatural/natural) is
relegated the more humble role as a pattern of the 4th. level. The
DQ/SQ dualism is now in command.
Bo
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