[Michael] You've been pushing me personally yourself for several days now, clearly fishing for a response. Don't pretend at innocence.
[Arlo] If you reread the thread, you'll see that my "civility" eroded when you started calling everyone "static" or "arrogant" or whatnot for not buying your premise. I don't think anyone here (save for Platt and Ham) would consider me uncivil (and with them I have long given up the idea that civil dialogue is able to compete with their talk-radio bombast). I've said a few times lately I admit to having no patience with this. I hardly think I was uncivil from Day One with you. Even throughout our theism thread I felt I was civil. If you feel comparing your "god" to "leprechauns" is uncivil, that has little to do with me. But the point remains, you have no more evidence for your god that another may have for leprechauns. What I object to is your desire to reduce Quality into that mire. And I do think I know why you do this. You admit theism is a joy of yours. You are trying to reconcile that with a philosophy that is vociferously anti-theistic. And I'm sure it irks you to have your "theism" dismissed as "faith", and so if everything was "faith" such dismissal would be impossible. I get that. And I take umbrage that we don't accept other views. Hell, 99% of the talk on this forum is "I disagree". Very, very rarely you get posts of support and agreement, but if anything we all (even those who agree on the core ideas of the MOQ) disagree quite frequently. What I think most of us react very strongly too, however, is an argument that is based on a misunderstanding (or non-understanding) of the core ideas of the MOQ, and that is why you are drawing more vocal resistance than others might. Hell, look at DMB and Krimel, both contributors I find eminently more knowledgeable than I, and yet they each feel the other simply does not "get it". And I agree with them both 90% of the time (not about not getting it, about their ideas). Anyways, you can take the role of the misunderstood and abused dissenter (if Ham will relinquish it for a while), but don't expect candy canes and gum drops when you start off an argument from outside the MOQs core. Okay. Was THIS civil enough. :-) Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
