Greetings to you Marsha 15 March:
I had written: > >The intellectual level will take the shape of S/O aggregate anywhere > >and everywhere. The alleged non-S/O intellect that the Upanishads > >philosophy spells in the Oriental Culture was also a search for > >truths beyond the Veda mythology, but it never developed the way it > >did in the West to become a static level, before they moved on to > >some Quality-like stage. Why there is some likeness, and why Pirsig > >spotted it, but he should have dropped it, now the Zen is a drag. > What does 'now the Zen is a drag.' mean? How is Zen a drag? > Of course your opinion is good for you, but I find the Wisdom, both > logic and the compassion, within Buddhism very meaningful. It has > enhanced my understanding of the MOQ. Zen is a drag due to the infamous pre-concept/conceptual "metaphysics" the latter-day Pirsig has superimposed on the MOQ. This was not part of his original insight which was pre- intellect/intellect (intellect=S/O). About something ahead of subjects and objects being pre-conceptual was William James' idea and something DMB had peddled ever since he began his acadmical career. Marsha listen: If concepts (language-conveyed ideas) are regarded as secondary to a real world out there we subscribe to SOM's "objective over subjective" party. The MOQ is a total break with SOM and has relegated it the role of its own intellectual level and consequently the "pre-concept/concept" has become a static intellectual pattern. Language and/or language-conveyed ideas don't play any particular role except as a social tool that intellect inherited. The Buddhist compassion is great, but when it tries to make it across to the S/O-steeped Western World it has to apply it's (the West's) "intellectual" S/O matrix and creates metaphors like the moon-finger. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
