[Andre] Hi Arlo, don't know why we should be 'parting ways'. I completely agree with you. Profound, Dynamic experience CAN occur any time. I hope Platt realises this as well.
[Arlo] Platt fails to realize DQ is "immediate experience", and as such is the every-present NOW moment. He fails to see this because, for him, DQ has filled the role of a God, an external force that deliberates and orders and plans and shapes the cosmos, and we and everything else merely respond to this Great Force. "Qualigod". The next step in dealing with his statement "DQ is not everyday experience it is rare" would be to think about the ramifications of this. If DQ only appears to some people, under some circumstances, then the power of opening oneself to DQ lies NOT with "us" but we become mere passive creatures waiting for DQ to reveal itself to us, we are reduced to kneeling in a church praying for "divine intervention". In order for US to have the agency to be open to DQ (meaning "respond to experience without the use of analogues"), DQ simply MUST be present in every moment. Sure, most of the time we do respond with analogues, we are habituated beings. But the possibility must exist at every zero-point, or else we lose agency and become passive creatures who can only wait for DQ to bless us in some rare moment. This is why DQ IS everyday experience. It is the "ongoing Dynamic edge of [ALL!] experience". And it is THIS that makes us agenic beings. It is THIS that keeps the cosmos "alive" and not a place of unchanging stasis (to allow me a redundancy there). If you consider Platt's view you will see that it leads in the opposite direction. By making DQ an external, intermittent "force", that sometimes appears to some people, and sometimes not, and shapes and creates the world, then all things become non-agenic, and the cosmos becomes nothing but passive play-dough for Qualigod. In another thread they are talking about "free will", and I contend that "free will" is simply another word for "chance" and "probability". We have "free will" because at every single solitary zero-moment there is the POSSIBILITY that we act in unexpected, uncontrolled, unordered, undefined, unpredicted ways, and it is THAT aspect of DQ in EVERY moment that makes this so. If that possibility did not exist at every moment of every day, and was only something that was granted to us intermittently, on some occasions, then we would have no "free will". "Chance" MUST be present at every second, in every moment of "immediate experience". For without this "chance" (DQ) at every zero-point man could never be free. That you can respond to this email by applauding, or crying, or getting a beer, or burning an Arlo-effigy, or in countless unexpected ways is testament to the fact that DQ (as "immediate experience") is there all the time. Not "sometimes", not "now and then". ALL the time. I am banging this hammer because I feel it is THIS that is the power of the MOQ. If WE don't have the agency to overcome our analogues and be open to the DQ that is present in *every single moment*, then we become servants, pawns or sheep merely awaiting some external DQ to occasionally shine its light on us, and the MOQ becomes "god philosophy". And make no mistake. THAT is what Platt is arguing for. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
