[Ron] I think it is important to escape the chicken/egg type of hierarchical understanding of evolution especially in regard to the MoQ levels. it is clear, at least to myself, that life emerged as a society from complex societies of inorganic value. The definitions of levels rest on recognizable norms of complexity in experience.
[Arlo] Sure, and I don't know how anything I said indicates a "chicken and egg" paradox. Biology precedes society, society precedes intellect. A certain biological pattern had to come into existence (Tomasello's neural capacity to recognize shared attention) before any social patterns could exist. Social patterns had to reach a certain level of complexity before intellect could emerge from its activity. Certainly, as I've looooong argued on this site, when you use terms like "individual" and "collective" that patterns you refer to are a matter of focus. At every stage along the way, from inorganic to intellectual, the MOQ can be viewed as "individual patterns engaged in collective activity", whether its individual atoms engaging collectively or individual humans engaging collectively. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
