Greetings Will,
Yes, but..., the answer reached is, more or less, guaranteed by the
method (questions) asked. What question does a
biochemist/neurochemist/biotechnologist/pharmacologist ask, and how
might it shape the results? OR something like that...
Honestly, I'm at the moment quite willing to throw out the
hierarchical levels as 'Kill all intellectual patterns." Interesting
place to visit, but why get stuck there?
Marsha
At 01:22 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote:
Name correction, sorry.
Begin forwarded message:
From: markhsmit <[email protected]>
Subject: [MD] Heirachy in MoQ
Date: May 16, 2009 10:13:12 AM PDT
To: [email protected]
Hi Arlo, Johncarl, Ron, others,
This is perhaps a continuation of "Arlo's Rant and 3rd levels", I
have mutated the
title to remove the subjectiveness, and perhaps invite others.
I am interested in learning more about the notion of hierarchy in MoQ, as it
may stimulate some thoughts for me about consciousness. We speak of the
inorganic, organic, organism and society as levels of complexity, as well as
of intent. Each of us are experiencing the organism level of consciousness.
Being a biochemist/neurochemist/biotechnologist/pharmacologist by training
I approach things with this background. I have worked on mapping the
brain in the laboratory on a chemical basis, and can imagine the appearance
in consciousness as the communication between nerves. An additional
level of complexity arrises when different areas of the brain serve different
functions of our consciousness. The next level would be the interaction
of our brain with the rest of the body. Then there is a spacial jump of
the interaction of humans together. We cannot experience this
consciousness, but can imagine it through extrapolation, in the same way
we can "imagine" multiple dimensions in space.
So we are talking about complexities of interaction on a size basis. We can
go the other way, a nerve communicates with another nerve through a
chemical (language) to create a response on the next. There is also
a complex feedback system. Once this response is initiated, sodium
and potassium ions begin the travel short distances across membranes
and enable a variety of systems to propagate this across a length. Whether
or not this propagation continues, and where it goes depends on a
number of factors. We have the Ions (individuals), we have the channels
(stop lights), we have the overall state of the cell (household) and so on.
The point is that the hierarchy we see goes both ways. Each system would
seem to have its own consciousness. What I believe we are calling the
abstract intellectual level, is where individuals interact in the
same way that nerves do. Our brains still interact in a more complex
way than society (at least for me, each nerve has more contacts than
I have contacts with others), but this is rapidly not becoming so due
to the internet (the new nerve system).
Does this societal level have consciousness?
Anyway, I am taking up way too much of your time. This topic has
probably been dealt with at length. Such is the nature of
apprenticeship.
Cheers,
Willblake2
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