Will,
Okay, make it like "communication between nerves".
Marsha
At 01:04 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
Hi Marsha,
I am not seeking to throw out the intellectual patterns, I am trying to
understand them in the context of the MoQ, and I put myself at the
mercy of the forum for this. My intent is not to be reductionist at all,
but to gain a concept of the intellectual level as similar to the
personal level, but different, with a consciousness of its own.
Certainly, the question may shape the answer, but only in the sense
that the answer uses the same language as the question. The overall
context may be universally useful in other platforms once it
is translated.
I agree that throwing up one's hands and saying it cannot be
defined intellectually is no fun, and a dead end.
Cheers,
Willblake2
On May 17, 2009, at 5:19:49 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
Greetings Will,
Yes, but..., the answer reached is, more or less, guaranteed by the
method (questions) asked. What question does a
biochemist/neurochemist/biotechnologist/pharmacologist ask, and how
might it shape the results? OR something like that...
Honestly, I'm at the moment quite willing to throw out the
hierarchical levels as 'Kill all intellectual patterns." Interesting
place to visit, but why get stuck there?
Marsha
At 01:22 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote:
>Name correction, sorry.
>Begin forwarded message:
>From: markhsmit <[email protected]>
>Subject: [MD] Heirachy in MoQ
>Date: May 16, 2009 10:13:12 AM PDT
>To: [email protected]
>
>Hi Arlo, Johncarl, Ron, others,
>
>This is perhaps a continuation of "Arlo's Rant and 3rd levels", I
>have mutated the
>title to remove the subjectiveness, and perhaps invite others.
>
>I am interested in learning more about the notion of hierarchy in MoQ, as it
>may stimulate some thoughts for me about consciousness. We speak of the
>inorganic, organic, organism and society as levels of complexity, as well as
>of intent. Each of us are experiencing the organism level of consciousness.
>
>Being a biochemist/neurochemist/biotechnologist/pharmacologist by training
>I approach things with this background. I have worked on mapping the
>brain in the laboratory on a chemical basis, and can imagine the appearance
>in consciousness as the communication between nerves. An additional
>level of complexity arrises when different areas of the brain
serve different
>functions of our consciousness. The next level would be the interaction
>of our brain with the rest of the body. Then there is a spacial jump of
>the interaction of humans together. We cannot experience this
>consciousness, but can imagine it through extrapolation, in the same way
>we can "imagine" multiple dimensions in space.
>
>So we are talking about complexities of interaction on a size basis. We can
>go the other way, a nerve communicates with another nerve through a
>chemical (language) to create a response on the next. There is also
>a complex feedback system. Once this response is initiated, sodium
>and potassium ions begin the travel short distances across membranes
>and enable a variety of systems to propagate this across a length. Whether
>or not this propagation continues, and where it goes depends on a
>number of factors. We have the Ions (individuals), we have the channels
>(stop lights), we have the overall state of the cell (household) and so on.
>
>The point is that the hierarchy we see goes both ways. Each system would
>seem to have its own consciousness. What I believe we are calling the
>abstract intellectual level, is where individuals interact in the
>same way that nerves do. Our brains still interact in a more complex
>way than society (at least for me, each nerve has more contacts than
>I have contacts with others), but this is rapidly not becoming so due
>to the internet (the new nerve system).
>
>Does this societal level have consciousness?
>
>
>Anyway, I am taking up way too much of your time. This topic has
>probably been dealt with at length. Such is the nature of
>apprenticeship.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Willblake2
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