> [Krimel]
> Here I am merely parroting what Bolte-Taylor meant when she
> said that we are
> energy beings exchanging energy with the environment. But
> what I have said
> is that experience BEGINS with transduction of energy into
> neural impulses.
> I never ever said that is what experience IS.
gav: think what this means krimel.
'energy beings exchanging energy with the (energy of the) environment'
now take it back a step. remove the subject and object and there is just
movement of energy: 'the environment' and 'the being' are not yet abstracted
from this moving energy.
experience cannot begin with 'transduction of energy into neural impulses',
because 'transduction of energy into neural impulses' is a concept *derived
from experience* as all concepts necessarily are (this point is ironclad logic).
'transduction of energy into neural impulses' is an *analogue* - a biochemical
neurophysiological analogue of 'experiencing' - it correlates with the
phenomenological 'felt quality' of experience. there is no causation here. the
neurophysiology does not cause the experience; neither does the experience
cause the neurophysiology. the neurophysiology is a creation, that mirrors,
analogises, gives a particular perspective on experience.
when buddhist monks are meditating well they feel no sense of separate self,
they are entrenched in the immediate present. likewise during such states their
brain is active in the places that correspond to this sensation of egolessness
and dormant in the places associated with self-consciousness. the meditation
*doesn't cause* the brain to show that particular logically corresponding
pattern of activity; the brain *doesn't cause* the meditation. the experience
and the patterns of brain activity occur *simultaneously*: the brainwaves can
be measured and observed as the monk meditates.
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