Marsha, I did, but now I burn with it. -Ron
________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:06:43 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Love as Quality Ron, Didn't you desire Wisdom before you read ZMM and LILA? 'And thou who thinkest to seek for Me, know thy seeking and yearning shall avail thee not, unless thou knowest the Mystery: that if that which thou seekest thou findest not within thee, thou wilt never find it without thee.' Marsha At 09:33 AM 6/26/2009, you wrote: >Marsha, >Tasty indeed! this interpretation gives MoQ a method. The problem >faced before was how to inspire people to desire wisdom, Socrates >used elenctic method to induce it in aporia. I think thats what Pirsig >was aiming at with the method of the koan. > >-Ron > > > > > >________________________________ >From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:12:12 AM >Subject: Re: [MD] Love as Quality > > > >But yum-yum, I do love Eros... > > >At 09:09 AM 6/26/2009, you wrote: > >Nope, suffering is the inability to recognize love in all, it's a > >sort of blindness > >to Qualty, I 'd say that it births illusionary conceptions. Thus the > >Art or the skill > >of the crafting of perception. > >I would say you are correct. > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:02:50 AM > >Subject: Re: [MD] Love as Quality > > > >At 08:56 AM 6/26/2009, you wrote: > > >Marsha: > > > > > >Love is experiencing things just as they are. Need love be more > than this? > > > > > > > > >I'm just asking... > > > > > >Ron: > > >No, unless experiencing things as they are produces suffering and turmoil. > > > > > >And here I thought that all this suffering was a conceptual > >illusion. Wait!!! It is an illusion. Am I wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > >From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:29:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: [MD] Love as Quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Love is experiencing things just as they are. Need love be more > than this? > > > > > > > > >I'm just asking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:21 AM 6/26/2009, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hackneyed and cliche as it may seem the term Love may be substituted > > > >for Quality. > > > > > > > >Love is divided into 4 kinds, intellectual love of which the highest > > > >pattern is the love > > > >of wisdom. > > > >Social love, the highest is the love of your fellow human beings > > > >Biological love, the highest being the love and care of ones own body. > > > >and inorganic love, the highest being the form of life. > > > > > > > >If we love life, our bodies, our nieghbors and wisdom, morality will > > > >be served. May beauty > > > >be the harmony of these? is orienting our desire in this way, > > > >better-ness? is this craft > > > >called the code of Art? > > > > > > > >In Plato's Socratic dialog the symposium Phaedrus opens the dialog > > > >with the claim that Eros > > > >is the oldest of the gods, with no parents. Quality? > > > > > > > > > > > >-Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > >Archives: > > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > >_____________ > > > > > >"He who neglects the present moment throws away all he has." > > > (Friedrich von Schiller) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >Archives: > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >Archives: > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > >_____________ > > > >"He who neglects the present moment throws away all he has." > > (Friedrich von Schiller) > > > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > >_____________ > >"He who neglects the present moment throws away all he has." > (Friedrich von Schiller) > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _____________ "He who neglects the present moment throws away all he has." 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