nice. --- On Sat, 27/6/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good. > To: [email protected] > Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 1:53 AM > My favorite definition of art: > > "The only valid thing in art is the one thing that cannot > be explained." > > In that respect, it is the same as Quality. > > All we can do by way of explanation is nibble at the edges. > Your > nibbling, John Carl, is as good as any I've seen. > > Platt > > > On 25 Jun 2009 at 22:07, John Carl wrote: > > > So you've set me to thinking. Again. > > > > What is art? We do mean something definite when > we achieve this thing > > called art; something special and different from > our everyday expressions > > and output. When it rises to a certain level, it > becomes in our minds and > > hearts, art. And it is recognizable by others. > > > > I'm thinking of Leonard Schlain and his explanation of > the way profound art > > was an intellectual advancement in culture, a > pre-realization of new truth. > > > > I'm thinking of the way engineers and computer > programmers feel when they > > create structure that transcends the mechanical and > pragmatic needs of the > > day, and produces in its uniformity, regularity, logic > and simplicity that > > same artistic feeling. > > > > Good art is rare. I suppose that's part of the > definition of the term - > > rare excellence. Art, as opposed to mere > craftsmanship, possesses some > > intellectual tickle to a quality brain. > > > > > > > "There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, > a hunger that our popular > > > art fails to recognize and our serious art often > defies." > > > > > > "[O]ur human need for beauty is not simply a > redundant addition to the list > > > of human appetites. It is not something that we > could lack and still be > > > fulfilled as people. It is a need arising from > our metaphysical condition as > > > free individuals, seeking our place in an > objective world." > > > > > > > > The desert sky at night, my rose garden, my > daughter's smile. I see beauty > > all around, art is an attempt to capture and hold and > share the intrinsic > > beauty of existence; as a response to the beauty > experience, a creative > > desire arises naturally. It is a > subjective response to objective beauty, > > a metaphysical response indeed. And > perhaps the real reason so little > > beauty is created by popular art in our world, is that > so little is > > perceived. The soul of humanity deadened by so much > crap. > > > > > > Depending on our esthetic sensibility, Beauty has > substantial value to us. > > > Pirsig correctly pointed out that value is not > centered in either the > > > subject or the object but transcends both. > This is as meaningful a clue as > > > any to the true nature of Beauty. > > > > > > To answer Platt's question, "Where does beauty > come from?", it comes from > > > our sensibility to Value. Specifically, it > is our realization that the > > > substantive essence of our reality is beyond the > finite world of existence. > > > Man's exquisite sense of symmetry, stability, and > goodness is the value of > > > the essential Source from which he is > estranged. The awe and rapture we > > > feel when we are in harmony with this Essence is > imparted to the discrete > > > objects and events which manifest the uncreated > source in our experience. > > > This, I submit to you, is what we sense as > Beauty. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Ham > > > > > > > > > > I like that Ham; I think I would only dispute > one small part. For myself, > > anyway, beauty is not for me a realization of a > substantive essence beyond > > our finite world of existence. Rather the > opposite. It is the realization > > of an infinite harmony within my finite world of > experience. Right where I > > live, in this moment. (Well, not THIS moment, > but you know what I mean) > > > > J Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------ > > Doing Good IS Being > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
