the desire thing is interesting. desire as the cause of suffering does make sense but the desire to be free of desire is a desire too! i agree that we maybe should try and make sure what we desire is good....and then that desire can be manifested by the power of intent. maybe we just need to keep our desires at a manageable 'human' size... desires and cravings are not the same.
--- On Sat, 27/6/09, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good. > To: [email protected] > Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 8:52 AM > > > > > > Dan: > > I don't know... there are different kinds of desire. > Desire that my > > children and grandchildren have a good life is more > about others (in a SOM > > sense) than desire to feed my face a cheeseburger. > > > > Furthermore I think it is unproductive to say desire > is the root of all > > suffering. We all desire a better life -- good food to > eat, a roof over our > > head, a place in the world -- for our own self as well > as for those we love. > > There is nothing wrong with that. > > > > > Darn that Siddhartha! He's been leading us astray all > this time. > > > > > > Suffering drives evolution. Without suffering the > world might well be but a > > ball of primordial slime (though according to some > that might be an > > improvement over the modern world). > > > > > So you could say something similar to Buddha but ending > on a more positive > note - Suffering holds the key to all > desire. I like that. I was > thinking something along these lines this morning in my > garden, that the > roots grow deepest when they have to really strain for the > water in the > ground. > > > > > > > Thanks for reading, > > > > > Hey, thanks for writing. I have really appreciated > your contributions > lately Dan. > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > -- > ------------ > Doing Good IS Being > ------------ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
