Or maybe just "the unexamined life ain't worth diddly squat"
Ian On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: > > Or maybe it's a method of being aware of experience. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carl > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Introspection > > "Introspective Observation" Is this just another fancy-shmancy way of > saying "know thyself"? Cuz I been getting that a lot from that guy lately. > John > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> "Introspective Observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost >> and >> always." >> (W.James) >> >> >> So the James quote, a famous one at that, gets no comment against the Wiki >> Behaviorists' dismissal? >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [MD] Introspection >> >> Marsha quotes James: >> >> Here's a quote I particularly like, "Introspective Observation is what we >> have to rely on first and foremost and always." >> >> Ron: >> I looked up the term "introspective" and found some very >> interesting comments >> from wiki: >> >> "Behaviorists claimed that introspection was unreliable and that the >> subject >> matter >> of scientific psychology should be strictly operationalized in an > objective >> and >> measurable way. This then led psychology to focus on measurable behavior >> rather >> than consciousness or sensation.[1] Cognitive psychology accepts the use > of >> the >> scientific method, but often rejects introspection as a valid method of >> investigation for this reason, especially concerning the causes of > behavior >> and choice." >> >> "On the other hand, introspection can be considered a valid tool for the >> development >> of scientific hypotheses and theoretical models, in particular in > cognitive >> sciences >> and engineering. In practice, functional (goal-oriented) computational >> modeling and >> computer simulation design of meta-reasoning and metacognition are closely >> connected >> with the introspective experiences of researchers and engineers." >> >> "Introspection was used by German physiologist Wilhelm Wundt in the >> experimental >> psychology laboratory he had founded in Leipzig in 1879. Wundt believed >> that >> by >> using introspection in his experiments he would gather information into > how >> the >> subjects' minds were working, thus he wanted to examine the mind into its >> basic >> elements. Wundt did not invent this way of looking into an individual's >> mind >> >> through their experiences; rather, it can date to Socrates. Wundt's >> distinctive >> contribution was to take this method into the experimental arena and thus >> into >> the newly formed field of psychology." >> >> "In Eastern Christianity, some of the concepts critical to addressing the >> needs >> of man such as sober introspection, called nepsis, are specific to >> watchfulness >> of the human heart and address the conflicts of the human nous, heart or >> mind. >> Also noetic understanding can not be circumvented nor satisfied by >> rationalizing >> or discursive thought (i.e. systemization)." >> >> Some interesting terms associated with introspection: >> >> "choice theory" >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_theory >> which looks alot like a rough MoQ >> >> >> a list of cognitive biases we all tend towards >> in our static filtering that one should keep in mind >> in introspective observation >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
