Marsha and Joe --
Marsha said:
Space and time are conceptually constructed static patterns of value.
A Value event/process would be equivalent to (Quality(Dynamic
and static)). Evolution is a highly valued intellectual static pattern.
Why do you think the "static pattern" concept doesn't support
evolution or experience?
Because nothing experienced is static and evolution itself is change. An
idea in one's head -- a triangle or a platitude, for example -- may be a
static representation of something experienced, but it's only an
intellectualized symbol. Existence is a process in which everything is in
transition, from electrons to mountains to one's life-experience. We don't
always see the change, but it is a fundamental characteristic of
experiential reality.
So your 'uncreated source' is knowable (you've defined it as static),
how do you know?
Knowledge is what we learn from experience. Philosophy has to deal with the
unknown. Metaphysical concepts are theories or hypotheses to explain what
we cannot directly know. There is no basis for imputing change, evolution,
or differences to the ultimate source. Thus, the concept of Dynamic Quality
as the primary empirical reality is a theory, as is the hypothesis of an
immutable uncreated source.
Ham had said:
We live in a space/time world of appearances. The phenomena we
experience are all the result of change and difference which frames the
universe. The only truly "static" entity in reality is the uncreated
source,
and that we can only hypothesize about.
Joe responded:
As I read the above I hurt! If space/time is a world of only appearances,
what am I sitting here? I want to be my reality! Ham, the depth of your
despair leaves me in tears! Maybe if I could say something!
I will ask you to consider the possibility that there are levels in
existence. Existence is not so ignorant that it supposes that one shoe
fits all. I do have to credit existence with discrimination since I have
shouted to the rooftops for existence to give me peace. I guess I am
born to tilt at windmills.
Where is the "despair" in my description of the "world of appearances"?
(That term is Hegel's, not mine, by the way.) Is it the fact that
experience is constantly changing? Or is it that we can't have access to
absolute truth?
I know it's possible to divide existence into any number of levels, but how
does this enhance our understanding? Existence is neither "ignorant" nor
"informed", whether we conceptualize it as a hierarchy or a unity.
Crediting existence with "discrimination" eludes my comprehension. Man is
the discriminating agent of the universe. It is man who distinguishes the
good from the bad, the beautiful from the ugly, the magnificent from the
common, and all the values in between.
If you are not "at peace" with your value-sensibility as it is, perhaps a
little nurturing of that sensibility will change your values and bring you
more contentment.
Cheers,
Ham
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