Ian, Yes, they are all there. It must have been very dynamic times, indeed. War and hate everywhere, and they were safe within their abstract concepts. I understand that isn't really a fair statement. - It is a very enjoyable book. I have another one like it next in the queue. I'm only beginning to understand the language. Marsha
p.s. Page 86 of the paperback edition. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] 'Uncertainty Absolutely Marsha, Einstein, Heisenberg and Bohr, not to mention Schroedinger and Born, all I believe (and have said before) got the metaphysical implications of the weirdness before them - the lack of intrinsic reality for any of us. Trouble is Copenhagen, (and "many worlds" and the like) created mathematical recipe books, that simply ignored them - LHC continues to ignore them. (I shall have to take a look at that Lindley reference.) Regards Ian On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >From 'Uncertainty: Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, and the Struggle for the Soul > of Science' by David Lindley: > > > > " . "When it comes to atoms," Bohr concluded enigmatically, "language can > be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with > describing facts as with creating images and establishing mental > connections." > > This, to Heisenberg, was strange and revelatory. Only a generation > earlier, Boltzmann and his allies had argued strenuously for the atom as a > concrete .thing., not a theoretical abstraction, still less a poetical > allusion. Was Bohr now saying that physicists couldn't hope to describe > atoms concretely, that they must make do with analogies and metaphors? That > the intrinsic reality of an atom was inaccessible to them? That perhaps it > was meaningless even to talk about the intrinsic reality of an atom?" > > > > > > The other day I heard a physicist, talking about the equations to calculate > spin, say "This isn't just mathematics, this is real". Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > "There are things that are so serious that you can only joke about them." > > (Werner Karl Heisenberg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
