Hi Marsha,
On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:00 AM, MarshaV wrote:
Recently read, 'Rereading the Sophists: Classical Rhetoric
Refigured', I'm a
relativist and proud, and what you think I should or shouldn't call
myself
has little impact on what I do or do not call myself, especially
since you
will not define what the word does or doesn't mean as if the word is
relative only to the value you experience.
Steve:
I don't know how you could say that. I've explained the issue of
relativism-absolutism several times.
For example, I just wrote to you:
In philosophy, my take is that relativism-absolutism is just another
version of subjective-objective. It is the same question as asking if
the quality is in the subject or the object. The claim that truth and
morality are just subjective (relativism) is self-defeating because
that claim itself then must be viewed as just subjective and needn't
be taken seriously.
Marsha:
But they are your thoughts,
without meaning for me, so possibly if I add them to my annuals
they might
produce an increase in flower growth. Some more interesting
thoughts on the
subject of relativism might be found in another book I plan to
order through
ILL, 'Protagoras and the Challenge of Relativism', by Ugo Zilioli,
ISBN-10:
0754660788, ISBN-13: 978-0754660781. (Such expensive books to
affirm that
there is nothing to know and no one to know it!). I like the idea
of many
truths. Gazillions of truths, all related to each other, and I
love them
all, every last one of them, even the ones you cannot define. What
do you
think about many truths?
Steve:
I'm cool with many truths, but what I've been trying to explain is
that the truth of relativism can only exist within SOM where the
question of subjectivity versus objectivity gets asked. But within
SOM, to say that relativism is true is to also claim that relativism
is no more true than absolutism since someone who is a relativist
doesn't hold anything to be absolutely true.
In the MOQ, the question "is relativism true?" simply doesn't get
asked since we've stopped asking whether the quality is in the
subject or the object.
If you can be very still, I will paint you blue.
um...ok
Best,
Steve
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