OK, Matt, Metaphor of system, OK. ... for WHAT (is what I'm looking for). Ever, at all, for anything ?
For the whole idea of philosphy ? I've already agreed. Not much use as a metaphor, though I did point out (as an aside on "philsophology") that you actually seemed to be doing that yourself. For any particular philosophy / metaphysics / world-view / model. I can't see a problem with using a metaphor of system, a system metaphor, systems-thinking ... And at this point I move from the general to the particular ... but hold. So, I'm re-reading the whole thread, carefully as I can ... I asked a question about a quote you used, and the only contentious thing I remarked on in the initial "system" was that you branded the MoQ as some weird monster. I questioned that, and from that point ... for a while I definitely (wrongly) thought we were talking about the MoQ. The three / four times repeated piece ... this you mean ? ""The deal is, if you're focused on the system (a _philosophy_), then you're ability to repair _the system_ becomes your ability to not fall into disarray in the world. If you come across a problem that you can't for the life of you figure out how to fix (we can't be ingenious all the time)--isn't that _exactly_ what happened to Pirsig in ZMM...? "But, if instead you are focused on life, then you're already well aware that there are tons of problems that you face, not all of them at once, some you defer, like that problem with your philosophy you just...can't...work...out--ah, screw it, I need to do the dishes right now, or feed myself, or ..." Clearly, obviously, agreed. Apart from a professional philosopher whose life was their philosophy, anyone focussing on any philsophy to the exclusion of life would be a fool, or an obsessive paranoid of some sort. MY POINT in response to that (ie having got that already), would be that that this seems to be true whether one has system metaphor view of philosophy or not ? Do you get my point, or am I missing one of yours ? My other - now incidental - points ... in defence of this "weird monster" we know as the MoQ were (a) it seems fine as system metaphor (b) it's primary focus is on experience and awareness of life. Anywhere other than this discussion board, I barely give the MoQ "system" a second thought - I focus on the qualities of living life. It only enters my head as a system, if I stop to analyse / debate some knotty moral decision point. Did I get it in the "clearly, obviously, agreed" point above ? Regards Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
