Ron Working myself backwards through your "refutations" of the SOL. BTW thanks for explaining it for John (the ignorant).
1 Sep. you wrote: : > You posit DQ/SQ AS REALITY'S GROUND.a truth that remains true > everywhere, independently of human thought or feelings. correct? There is a level-like relationship between the MOQ and its own uppermost level, this is so because intellect was SOM before the MOQ and the MOQ is "out of SOM". It isn't every day reality is turned upside down and because there aren't no fixed Archimedian point during this operation there will be an immediate timeless shift from one point of view to the next. Now, this understood, and ditto regarding MOQ's basic tenet of each upper level being a pattern of the lower "taking off on a purpose of its own".we understand that the MOQ was an intellectual pattern that has "taken off on a purpose of its own", i.e: no longer an intellectual pattern yet in the same relationship with intellect that all levels have with the one below. Thus, the MOQ resulted from the super-SOMist Phaedrus using the S/O logic to "escape velocity" where the MOQ took off on the said purpose. He could not have done this without applying (his intelligence) along intellect's lines - as impossible as the social level emerging without its biological foundation - and why the MOQ is regarded as "independent of human thought. That's its intellectual base it can't escape. ZAMM flirted a little with the "Man the measure ..." but in LILA it was nothing about the Sophists . > So, subjectivity, the idea that the truth of moral statements depends > upon people's values, attitudes, feelings, or beliefs. is the past. the > social level. Yes, but again "subjectivity" is intellect's derogative description of what we - the MOQ - know is the social level, intellect knows no level. . > The intellectual level has no existence, ok. The S/O distinction is intellect's value - seen from the MOQ - from intellect seen subjects and objects are most real ... although creating paradoxes, but that's another issue.. > then what is God? As said the MOQ regards the classic religions (Semitic I call) as static social patterns and that includes their respective gods that fall in the same category as the mythological bretheren.. > I thought MoQ covered everything? There certainly are a lot of gods at the social level. > Rationality is a higher static good, objective rationalism is better > than subjective value. Objective rationalism has dynamic insights and > raptures. One of which is the Dynamic/Static distinction itself, the > TRUE split of physical reality, correct? Intellect's S/O (irrational/rational) distinction is the highest static good, but intellect knows no levels, it was the PAST it deemed irrational. However the MOQ knows the big picture, namely that intellect does not apply at the social level. It's not only intellect-focussed people (if that is "objective realism"?) that has dynamic experiences. Medieval Times (social level) had lots of saints but their visions were religiously tainted. Modern people's (intellectually focussed) ditto are about of transcending the subjective prison that intellect-as-SOM sentenced humankind to life in. > not mental/corporeal but language/experience language is not > merely mental and experience is not merely corporal. MOQ's DQ/SQ does not correspond to experience/language. language is the symbols medium that INTELLIGENCE manipulates. Orthodox MOQ - whether you subscribe to it or not - says that both SOM and MOQ are intellectual pattern, and if so intellect must be the equivalent of MIND: a mental compartment different from the outer "corporeal" realm. ... and SOM prevails > first lets remember that expereince is not corporeal, it being > corporeal is an idea, an objective idea. second language is part of > expereince but it is not immediate expereince the expereince that > comes before thoughts or words. With a lead balloon like this how can the MOQ make it? Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
