Marsha & Ron Do you two live next to your keyboards? Give us a break
Marsha: > Can you supply an Intellectual static pattern of value that is not > subject/object oriented??? Ron: > Can you produce one that does? The problem is Ron that regards just every INTELLIGENT deliberations to be "intellectual patterns", that stone age mankind contemplating the making of flint artefacts were "intellectuals". This is the intellect=intelligence fallacy He will possibly point to Pirsig rejecting the SOL in Lila's Child (page 575) where he points to "...logic itself, mathematics, computer programming languages.." All this is based on the same intellect=intelligence fallacy. My smart crow obviously applied logic when it found how to hoist food balls by the string, so IT is now an "intellectual". Math is just a fancy way of saying calculation something the proverbial Stone Agers, the Egyptians and Babylonians knew well. Formal mathematics and geometry, the working out proofs and theorems is intellect because it's about showing why the angles of a triangle or the hypotenuse of a diito ...etc. must be so - objectively - at all times and all places. BTW.All intellectual patterns that Pirsig lists in LILA are all S/O to the marrow Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
