Ian, Well, maybe Bo will clear this up.
Have a great weekend! Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Loneliness Neither do I Marsha (think so), but Bo said "Intellect is supposed to be a MOQ "pattern"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!." Regards Ian (Bye for now) On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ian, > > Am I understanding this correctly, it is thought that Bo sees the > Intellectual Level as one pattern alone. I don't think so. Like the > definition of the patterns in the Social Level might be expanded to say > 'patterns of culture that anthropologist and sociologists study', so the > definition of patterns in the Intellectual Level can be explained by > 'patterns objectified for analytical thinking'. > > It has been suggested that Aztec patterns were somehow intellectual but not > objectifying, but like one of Einstein's thought experiments presented to > Bohr, the measurement (the process of determination and explanation) IS > objectification every step of the way. What is built by objectification is > based on objectification, and any further MoQ-like projection is wishful > thinking. > > > Marsha > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Loneliness > > Hi Ant, Bo, Marsha, > > I think that is helpful Ant, It's kinda what Marsha was saying too. > > If we "objectify" the patterns too much - as primary objects - we've > defeated the whole point of MoQ. > It's the qualty and its relative static / dynamic aspects that interest us. > > But Bo, Intellect is not "a pattern" in anyone's book (not even yours > I suspect ?). > It's a whole level in the MoQ > > SOM-Intellect is a pattern, maybe a pattern of patterns, but > MoQ-Enhanced-Intellect is clearly a better one - is the point where we > keep differing. I'm just trying find a simple language to have a > conversation with you about the MoQ ... what it is and how we use it, > etc. > > But, in fact if you see the whole of intellect as a simply static > pattern, you have clearly totally missed the MoQ - so all other bets > are off. > Regards > Ian > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Bo, > >> >From what I remember (from correspondence), Pirsig says (as a general > rule of thumb), that the Quality he discusses in ZMM is the same as the > Dynamic Quality in LILA. This is seen, for instance, in the passages in ZMM > when he equates the Tao in the "Tao Te Ching" with (Dynamic) Quality. > >> It's also worth reminding new readers to Pirsig's work that the (static > or) conventional MOQ (of LILA) states that Quality = Dynamic Quality + the > static quality patterns (the MOQ being just one of many static intellectual > patterns...) while in my PhD (see http://robertpirsig.org/PhD.htm), it's > seen that there is also a Dynamic (or the "World of Buddhas") perspective of > the MOQ where all static quality patterns are seen simply as secondary, > ephemeral manifestations of Dynamic Quality. > >> >> I hope that's helpful. >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
