they danced around it but I was wondering what you thought about it
it's been on my mind ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:35:32 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey Ron, Krishnamurti and David Bohm might supply an answer. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey Marsha, I sense we are close to something this desire is before concepts of self perhaps it is the desire of the creation of self this reaching for betterness perhaps it creates society and to function in a society a self is required. A name, a label, symbol that stands for this collection of intersecting patterns. I ask this in reference to, at what point did this reaching become misguided? reaching implies time, a hope toward betterness. why? is it the nature of existing? if it is, I think it would be helpful to find out. ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:47:40 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey Ron, The statement 'to cease desiring' was not the answer to your question, but among the listing of a number of different patterns to possibly discuss. Besides, your question presumes a self to answer the question, and as I already stated the quality (betterness) comes before the creation of a self and object. I really don't know how to answer such a question. Quality is better than nothing? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey marsha to the question "why desire betterness?: to cease desiring... Ron: the desire to cease desiring. I think we are closing in on something. this reaching. is this the final desire to vanquish? is acceptance of desire the way to disperse it? to accept this reaching into the unknown? as growth? an acceptance of be-ing? to be is to desire Socrates said that philosophy was the preparation for death. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey any you care to discuss ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:47:15 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey Who's reasoning (what self?) would you be asking about? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey why desire betterness? ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:30:49 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey "The MOQ does not rest on faith. In the MOQ faith is very low quality stuff, a willingness to believe falsehoods." 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