Bo, The problem is that once you start talking about the MoQ it becomes an intellectual static pattern of value and suffers objectification. On the Dynamic/static level, above the Intellectual Level, there is only patterned experience and Dynamic experience.
Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self Marsha , All You cited Dan Glover's "Lila's Child": RMP Annotation 29 The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a oeself that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or intellectual patterns. There is no oeself that contains these patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In Zen, there is reference to oebig self and oesmall self Small self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality. DG: So the MOQ might say we invent the self and then believe in our own invention. RMP: Or better, the big self invents intellectual patterns that invent the small self and that collection of small selves known as "we". Bodvar: This is important and ought to be written in fiery letters. Pirsig says (translated) "DQ creates the static levels of which the highest - intellect - creates "mind", "self", "- consciousness" - awareness known as "we" Again Pirsig inadvertently confirms the SOL (intellect as the S/O distinction). From inside intellect the fundamental split is between a self and its world. If Arlo still is "conscious" from his fencing with Platt and spots this I challenge him to explain it away Bodvar. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
