Hi Ron, Not be picky, but in your sentence "Socrates asks how would one know if they are being taught virtue?" you mean Plato's don't you. Socrates didn't leave us any of his thought in writing. I don't even think Socrates approved of writing, and I don't think he would have approved of some of the techniques used by Plato in the dialogues, either.
Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Are you teaching Quality? I think Andre's quote from Ant about sums it up 'Dynamic Quality is this upwelling...well it isn't anything I can tell you. This is what you'll hear from the 'Zennies'. But you can discover it if you work on it. But you won't discover it by conceptualisation and this is a huge problem that Zen teaching has. You see it over and over again and this is why they sound so screwy, in their koans and everything. What they're trying to do is to get you to stop conceptualising and start experiencing'. ( in McWatt,PhD,P69). I think the question is a koan I think Quality, or virtue is an understanding about experience it may not be taught conventionally but one may point to the path is this teaching virtue? some would say yes, others no Socrates asks how would one know if they are being taught virtue? a question everpresent in our quest ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 12:27:37 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Are you teaching Quality? What do you think, Ron? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] Are you teaching Quality? AHH the question of questions at the Moq discuss The basis of the discussion in Plato's Protagoras. Can Quality be taught? Protagoras thought it could be taught, Socrates questioned this. Pirigs original Bozeman paper on the subject, thought it could be taught. I wonder, after two books and much thought, would he conclude the same? Can virtue be taught? Is it a question of developing a desire for honosty? would would Robert say? Bob, have you taught us Quality? -Ron Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
