Woke up, banked the fire, looked at the moon, checked my MD. Tom Brown. I remember him. My friend Grego really got into Tom Brown. Grego went on to quit his job as grocery store stocker and offer canoe excursions on the Green River, so it worked out for him.
But I never was that enthusiastic, no offense to your dad. The Tom Brown shtick always sorta struck me as that old YMCA Camp ego-mentality brand of rugged individual survivalism which real indians never taught or experienced. Wilderness Survival for them wasn't a honed skill, it was just their life. Really what I see as the main attainment in a degree from DQU is the lessons learned about community and loyalty. That's what's lacking in modern life more than tracking or fire-making tricks. A way to perpetuate traditional tribal culture which has important values that have been lost in mainstream society. I've never seen that survivor program on tv, but from what I've read about it they're trying to illustrate the issues of interpersonal relationship in small group bonding... so think survivor without the cameras - is closer to what I have in mind I haven't actually discussed this with Rudy yet. My process seems to be this: I think about stuff in my head, then put it down in words here, and then if it looks good to me on "paper" after consideration I suggest it to him and Victorio. Dang its cold tonight. I think I need to split some more logs for the morning. Great, go out on my porch, wake up the dogs and split wood in my bare feet with nothing on but a bathrobe. Tom Brown would have been better prepared. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:51 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > John, > Here in the east we have a DQU of sorts, Tom Browns "tracker school" > perhaps Rudy or you could pattern DQU from their example. > > http://www.trackerschool.com/ > > My father follows Toms doins since the 70's. > > I think they have some accredited courses > > -Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 12:44:38 PM > Subject: [MD] Schooling the Docs > > So here's probably the first debate we'll have on DQU, wherein I bring > Pirsigian insight into the situation: Loss of accreditation -how to get it > back. > > My argument is that we don't want it back. Ironic, isn't it. I thought of > suggesting a midnight raid to steal it, and then posting guards to keep it, > but I doubt anybody who hasn't read ZAMM would get my point. > > Thank goodness for you guys! > > My point is that we don't want accreditation because that confers obeisance > to the dominant paradigm and what we want to accomplish is freedom from the > dominant paradigm. Let's compare two different doctoral programs - Oxford > and DQU. > > Now a degree from Oxford has a lot of status and power conferred. Well, > maybe not a "lot". It depends probably, I'd have to ask Dr. Ant. But > does > it teach you how to survive? Build a fire from scratch? Kill a deer and > preserve the meat and hide? > > A graduate degree from DQ does all that and more, besides conferring tribal > identity and an eternal dwelling place. Here's how it works: > > DQU is to be set up as a medicine wheel of healing - a circle. The circles > are divided into twelve equal sections, with a center carved out of the > middle. Each section of the center consists of 12 acres which is carefully > guarded from any european-SOMish influences. It is holy ground. No > pictures. No cameras. No objective anthros examining the quaint rites of > native peoples. It's a circle with nothing but hands, hearts and minds > trained to honor the land and each other in sacred relationships learned > from tribal elders. To successfully graduate a person must first live and > learn for at least a year in the inner circle surrounding the center, as > part of a tribe- one of the twelve At the end of that year, those in the > inner circle may enter the center where they dwell for another year's time > where they survive without any interaction with the outside world. They > survive communally, according to the old ways to the best of their ability. > It's a tough program. If you get sick, you die. Well it probably wouldn't > be that extreme. You can leave, but If you leave you fail and your tribe > loses status and is ashamed. > > Since we don't have the teeming game or freedom of hunter gatherers > anymore, > the subsistance of the center is dependent upon the support and care of the > tribal circle. That is, the inner circle preparing for the next year > supports the center with gifts of appropriate food and fuel. No more than > 12 people enter the center in any year, so that ideally, 144 people inhabit > 144 acres with a well thought communal structure of proper proportions of > healers, workers, herders, planters, builders. This is aided by the fact > that each of the twelve tribes surrounding the center have their > specialties. > > This stems from the overall structure of DQU, which consists of tribal > colleges. Certain tribes have certain specialties - some in agriculture, > some in communications, some in healing and health care, some in > construction. To enter the center (the doctoral program) you must first > have a degree conferred from a tribal college which will theoretically > grant > you one specialty and a broad range of skills guaranteed to to make you > self-sufficient as possible. The mix of these tribal skills is the chief > value of DQU - the diversity in unity. > > In subsequent years, the only ones able to enter and leave the center at > will are the successful graduates of the center. > > There's more, but that's the rough outline of what I envision so far. Now > back to my point. > > Dr. Carl with a degree from Oxford can probably find a job teaching > somewhere, but will always be dependent upon the good wishes of a certain > social matrix of power and prestige - a matrix of faulty composition since > it has a genetic defect in it's metaphysical underpinnings. > > Dr. Carl with a degree conferred from DQU obtains eternal tribal > affiliation > and connection to the land and the planet which is a form of biological and > social security which cannot be obviated by mere circumstance of world-wide > economic collapse. > > Dr. Carl from Oxford perpetuates the paradigm. > > Dr. Carl from DQU begins a new paradigm without needing to overthrow the > old. > > I was gonna explain this to squonk, before he went off and dissolved into a > pool of tears, but nevermind now. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
