Greetings Bo, I
> This lull in postings gave me an opportunity to read your post, but it left > me completely confused. You might need to go back a bit in the archives Bo. There's quite a bit behind what I've written lately. What is it you try to convey? Is it the arch- > american tendency that a movement must travel into the wilderness to > form some "Jonestown" community? I never thought of that before as an arch-american movement. I thought the Jews started it when they fled Egypt. But the parallels with Jim Jones are disturbing. My first and ill-fated marriage occurred on the day of the Jonestown massacre. A sure portent. A cult is when one person is the focus of the group. Its an easy pattern to fall into and hard one to avoid. Native American societies seem to avoid this trap particularly well, in my experience. Every Indian council meeting is guaranteed to have at least one vehement trouble maker, but instead of just casting him out, they community tries to work through the problems and this is why council meetings can go on for hours or days. Consensual democracy, it is called, and it can be a powerful thing. > Be it environment/climate buffs > who will save the earth by digging in-ground dwellings or "...USA a > happy-hunting ground of religious cranks" (as Pirsig says) now wanting > the MOQ to become a closed "circle". I may have contributed to the > MOQ's exclusivity by my railing against any effort to get it inside > Academy which means pressing a greater container into a smaller > one. However the MOQ is out of SOM - out of intellect - born of > REASON - even if it sounds like a "bootstrap" operation to make > MOQ's toughest opponent into its highest static value in one "gestalt > switch" (when two black profiles becomes a white vase) Anyway, no > forming of esoteric societies for me, rather more MOQ conferences. > I haven't discussed Pirsig's DQ much yet, in the meetings I've attended. But I've been thinking about how to do so. Last night as I was drifting off I had a funny revelation: I could wait till the first "class" is ready to spend a year in the center, and then spend the time with them explaining DQ from a philosophical viewpoint and we could agree to keep it secret! Yeah! Like Scientology only the name is the hidden heart and strength of our community. Speaking of esoteric societies. The main relevance of this effort I'm involved in is the assertion I make that Quality is defined experientially. The great promise of DQU is that every tribe has its particular "good". When the tribes harmonize to create an intertribal community, the good that arises in common is the GOOD in its most pure definition. When this is an attempt to define a good relationship with other tribes and the land itself, I think that's a worthy project. Starting on a naked piece of ground with no structure and letting discussion evolve would be an ideal experiment in the evolution of social and communal good and that's the opportunity here. > Christoffer Ivarson spoke about one such in the Swedish university > town Lund, but then he disappeared. Well, the MOQ is the future, > there's no doubt about that, yet reality- level - switches (much bigger > that paradigm dittos) will take centuries. We only know about one, the > social-intellectual, and it is not even accomplished yet . > > Bodvar > > I admire your patience, devoting your time to a movement that might take centuries. But I believe it's possible, given the right conditions, that when the time is right, the seeds of world-changing revolutions can grow, blossom and bear fruit much quicker than that. But I could be wrong. Cheers, John PS: Ummm... There is actually quite a large mailing list that has been accumulated over the years of various professors and such who are interested in DQU. I posted my thoughts (which I've posted here) to a few people I've met at the meeting of the minds meetings I've been attending and last night I find that my words are being excitedly embraced and shared as widely as possible. So if you have a large and growing group of enthusiastic early adopters of new ideas, you have the seeds for revolutionary change. Which brings me to another point that might obviate your assertion that it takes centuries for new ideas to take hold - modern social networking can vastly speed things up. PPS: I think it was Margaret Mead who said something along the lines of "never doubt that a small group of enthusiasts can change the world. In fact, that's the only way it ever happens." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
