Hi Andre Dec.10
I had said: (to Mark) > > Again, the MOQ does not distinguish between energy and mass or has > > any "quantum" sub-level and the separation between dead matter and > > living things is "murky" only seen from intellect (science) the MOQ's > > levels are moral distinctions, and there is a point when biology (life) > > "takes off on a purpose of its own". That's the point. Andre: > Hi Bodvar, I've created another thread for this as I would like to > persue the issue of 'life' a little further. The 'concept' of life has > been so tainted by science and religion in its 'meaning' and purpose (I > don't need to bother you with all its connotations...especially the one > where 'Man' has regarded itself as occupying a special place in the > evolutionary process etc etc). I really am interested in your view on > this. If "religion" is translated into "social" and "science" into "intellect" these have in turn transformed everything - life included - into their respective master-patterns. The semitic type religions (Jewdom and Islam) are very recent social pattern, yet along with the ancient mythologies they don't regard "life" as an absolute, the Greek and Nordic immortals mingled with the mortals and the religions regard life as a mere stage before the eternal existence. (Christendom is a special case between the social and itellectual levels so I skip it ) With the intellectual-rational level life became "biology", some inexpliccable lumping together of matter that started to reproduce and evolve to more complex organisms that in turn produced selfawareness. At first - when Cristendom was still "social" and competed with science it was a curious social-intellectual mixture. Humans were still created in God's image ...etc, but as social impact faded, the human organism is nothing special except for the alleged "self-consciousness". > For me, as far as I understand the MoQ, 'life' is simply the expression > of moral freedom within static PoV's i.e the evolutionary moral > framework the MoQ stands for. Life is the second static level in MOQ's hierarchy, perhaps the most self-evident one, no obfuscators have managed to problematize it. That it is a moral step out of the inorganic level goes without saying. And that it only is valid within the MOQ is just as plain. > In this sense 'life' = DQ/SQ.And to perhaps streching this a little > further: Quality=DQ/SQ 'expressing itself. That biology is a static manifestation of Quality we know and we also know that the dynamic "forces" are at work from the moment a new static level is formed. And - phew - that the MOQ is the DQ/SQ configuration we OUGHT to know. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
