Ron, My interest is relativism, that every aspect of convention reality (the categorized, static patterned world) is relative, relative all the way down.
Marsha On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, X Acto wrote: > Yes, but was the law of non-contradiction a philosophical stance > or simply a pragmatic one, useful. >> From my reading I tend to think the latter. > There are several passages that I feel Aristotle > was coming from a relativistic outlook and was a pragmatist > in the focus of meaning in experience. > > The arguement of Protagoras is a moral one, and thats > what Socrates and Aristotle make their observation and > arguement on. Morals. Relativism has no morals in it. > No preference, no desire. Nothing on which one > is prepared to act, in it's philosphical doctrine. > > also > > Plato's arguements were syllogistic, they forced Protagoras > to contradict himself in his statements.then rested rhetorically > on the importance of meaning. > > I sincerely think scientific method was a response to elanchus > (socratic) method. > > Not a philosphical doctrine but a sylogistic method. > > -Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:12:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Protagoras and "Measure" > > > Excitement and frustration: > > "...that the only way to charge Protagoras with having defeated himself by > violating the law of contradiction (and, as a necessary result, *under the > circumstances posited,* by violating excluded middle) is to *demonstrate that > nothing but the strong realist reading of contradiction (and excluded middle) > is conceptually possible.* No one has ever shown that, and contemporary > philosophy is clearly committed to *its being false." Not that the strong > realism Aristotle supports (or even the doctrine Parmenides supports) is > false: only that *its denial is conceptually viable.* In fact, the distinct > pragmatist, anti-essentialist, symbiotized, historicist visions of Putnam, > Rorty, and Harman -- and, for that matter, the related doctrines of Popper, > Kuhn, Feyerabend, MacIntyre, and Bernstein, whom we have already mentioned in > this connection -- confirm that it is now impossible to pretend to defeat > Protagoras or any modern protagorean merely by invoking > the strong archic *interpr > etation* of contradiction and/or excluded middle that (one way or another) > all of these thinkers seem disposed to favor. That is, they favor such a > strategy, but only by way of the irrelevant subterfuge of pretending that the > relativist, much like Aristsotle's Protagoras, could not "conceivably" have > intended his thesis except in the barefaced contradictory sense they are > prepared to expose. Aristotle, Newton-Smith, Wolterstorff, and Dummett, on > the other hand, do actually draw, or implicate, their own conclusions by way > of the dubious form of the realism just indicated. > What we must see is that a stalemate here is a victory for Protagoras. > *If* we cannot establish the required realism indisputably then the defeat of > Protagoras on so-called "internal" logical grounds fails. Because all that > we require is that Protagoras (or his modern-day protagoren offspring) simply > should not be as stupid as Newton-Smith and PUtnam pretend he cannot fail to > be." > (Margolis, Joseph, 'The Truth About Relativism' (Paperback), pp.74-75) > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
