[Xacto] I think what Pirsig is attempting with the levels is establishing a cultural point of beginning that holds the most relevant meaning to his thesis in regard to the term "intellect" . mainly the syllogism. Nothing more....
[Krimel] I certainly agree that the period in question is a critical one in human history. It is universally regarded as the "cultural point of beginning" of a great many things in the modern world. Mad props to you for diving into Plato and Aristotle the way you have. But I would still argue that most important contribution of the Greeks was not the syllogism but the proof. A syllogism is just one form of proof. If we listen to Plato we might learn how to figure out what is good. If we listen to Euclid we will be able to build it; whatever it turns out to be. Ron: Yes sir, deductive reasoning is illustrated rather well with the mathematicians no arguement there.I was refering to Aristotle specifically in context of Pirsigs culturely defined notion of what we understand the term "intellectual" to mean. In other words its the understanding of the origins of the meaning of the term in our culture. So, it makes sense for clarities sake to simplify it to the generalized meaning we commonly take the term to mean in the context of his thesis. Keeps shit simple in common understandable terms that way. Take what Pirsig does to the understanding and meaning of the word Quality. He begins his concept on the expansion of how we commonly understand the term. This exansion on the meaning of this one term is essentially his whole metaphysics. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
