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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmm. > > This morning the flutter was 6.5 on the Richter scale. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, John Carl wrote: > > > Marsha, > > > > The child is the father of the man, and thus perhaps, his master as well. > > In that case, your question is especially relevant; Is there a > separation? > > > > We shall see! > > > > we are > > > > momentary in nature, > > > > but monumental in a moment, > > > > creating ripples in the > > > > earthen vibrations > > > > that flutter through > > > > empty space, > > > > organizing a rhythmic clutter into human art. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:17 AM, John Carl wrote: > >> > >>> You had to suffer shipwreck though your own efforts before you were > ready > >> to > >>> seize the lifebelt he threw you.... The Master knows you and each of > his > >>> pupils much better than we know ourselves. He reads in the souls of > his > >>> pupils more than they care to admit. > >>> > >>> Eugen Herrigel, Zen and the Art of Archery > >> > >> > >> John, > >> > >> Is there a separation between master and student? > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> So I was thinking the other day, about writing. My brother in law > wrote > >> a > >>> book about when he and Lu were kids growing up in Africa and he used a > >>> literary device, I think it's called the "second person objective" or > >>> something like that. It went something like this: > >>> > >>> You walk down the hall to get a glass of water, you see that there is a > >> need > >>> for another log on the fire and the cat needs to come in, so you set > down > >>> your glass and open the woodstove... > >>> > >>> I guess it could be interesting if done really well, but coming from > pure > >>> narcissism it's just real annoying. It flows from the assumption that > >>> everybody else would see things the way I see them, naturally. > >>> > >>> But then, he's annoying like that so I guess it makes sense that his > >> writing > >>> would be too. > >>> > >>> > >>> Now, Pirsig, on the other hand, writes about himself in the third > person, > >>> while narrating from the first person: I used to know this guy, I knew > >> him > >>> really well. He's gone now, but not forgotten for he turned into me. > >>> > >>> See, the "me" that is in the past is just as much an entity separate > from > >>> who I am now, than any other person I've read about in history books. > >> But > >>> we don't think like that. We should, but we don't. But writing that > way > >>> sort of forces you to confront the real situation as it is, and to an > >>> extent, by playing with the definitions of self, frees you from the > >>> ego-attachment to your old self. > >>> > >>> And really, when I'm writing about the guy I used to be, why should I > do > >> him > >>> any favors? He's certainly never done me any. If he had any > >> consideration > >>> for me, he'd have dieted and exercized more and taken better care of > his > >>> body so that when it came time for me to use it, I'd be in real good > >> shape. > >>> > >>> On the other hand, I can't criticize him too hard because if I was in > his > >>> position, I'd probably have done the same thing. In fact, that's what > >>> happened. > >>> > >>> Anyway, I wonder if any of you literary types are familiar with this > >>> technique and know what it's called. Lots of writers have referred to > >> their > >>> past in the third person, but not from the ongoing narration of the > first > >>> person. Pirsig did it because his past person was separated from his > >>> present person by electroshock therapy, but it doesn't take anything > that > >>> dramatic to realize the separation. All it takes is a realization of > a > >>> momentary separation between him and me. > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. 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