Hi Arlo On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:26 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> wrote: > [Ian] > In a way, exactly as Platt (and myself) have said many times before .. "As > Godel's Theorem reminds us, all knowledge is ultimately faith-based." > > [Arlo] > No. Godel shows us that all symbolic systems are essentially incomplete, and > so > perhaps you could say "all knowledge is incomplete". Big difference.
Ian responds - OK with your summary. I did say "in a way". The difference is not so big ... depends on what view "science" takes of that incompleteness, and whether it retains "faith" in its methods to continually push back the boundaries (in ALL areas of knowledge - moral inlcuded) or whether it recognizes any value in knowledge not amenable to its methods.. > > [Ian] > The scientists are "losing their edge" as John puts it, because they tend to > ignore their faith in their process and simply claim higher moral ground. > > [Arlo] > Science DOES have the "moral high ground" in the MOQ. Intellectual patterns > are > morally superior to social patterns. Ian responds: You kinda prove my point. I agree it mostly has it (maybe even 99% has it). Science is therefore morally supereior if and only if it really is an intellectual pattern. In practice it operates through many social patterns too. In theory science has the moral high ground ... in practice ... > > As I said to Mark, understanding the earthquake that hit Haiti as the result > of > geological forces and plate tectonics is a MORALLY SUPERIOR position to > claiming it is the result of an angry god punishing them evil voodoo > worshipers. Ian responds: no argument there. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
