[Ian]
How can you "reduce" my saying science is 1% "faith" (untestable
authoritatively accepted social belief if you prefer) to saying
science is just another "theism" whose whole basis is faith.
Monstrous allegation based on nothing I even remotely suggested.
[Arlo]
I didn't say this is what you were saying, Ian, I said its latching
onto science as "faith-based" that is the impetus for people like
Mark to reduce everything to just another "theism". Science, the MOQ,
Christianity... all just "theisms" to Mark.
[Ian]
I did (and do) use the word contingent, but there is an achilles heel
in science, that doesn't recognize contingency everywhere, only at
places where "the method" applies. And then ignores any kind of value
in knowledge where the method cannot be applied.
[Arlo]
Well of course, this is the criticism of S/O science that Pirsig
discusses in LILA. As I said many times in the past there is an
essential blind-spot in any and all symbolic representations of
experience. No problem there. Much of science historically has been
from an erroneous S/O position. All criticisms valid and necessary.
[Ian]
The massive difference between theism and science (archteypically) is
that the former is blind by choice of tradition, the latter merely
has a blind spot.
[Arlo]
And I'd say that the "blind spot" in science (or any symbolic system)
is an inherent feature that can never be overcome. As such, its not
an obstacle to be condemned, but the basis for your "contingence".
Getting back to, again, the Haitian earthquake, I doubt there are any
scientists among those who understand the event to be the result of
geological forces such as plate-tectonics who, if a better theory
came along (say something like quantum disturbances in the subspace
field) would reject it. Indeed, I'd venture most would embrace it.
That is, theists advocating the event as a result of an angry god
punishing voodooers do so on "faith", scientists explaining the event
as the result of plate tectonics do so based on contingence.
[Ian]
Get a grip Arlo.
[Arlo]
I'm trying.
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