Arlo,
Let me see if I can define the precise difference between us. I put choice as fundamental, you put chance. You say chance is fundamental in order to have choices, to make "choice" meaningful. And choice, freedom is very important to you. Is that right? It seems logical to me. Honestly, a perfectly good way to look at your self and reality. A perfectly valid.... choice. And there's the rub, for me. You choose to look at chance as fundamental, which presupposes a choice in the matter. Choice comes first. Like me agreeing with Ham with the value of essence, but existence is primary, I'd say the same with chance and choice. Choice is primary, more metaphysical than chance. Also, your main argument so far has been that you need chance in order to have choice. And choice is important! But if choice is the goal, go for it, without justifications of logical necessity or niggling doubts about i validity. Who cares? It's important to you. Fundamentally important. Admit it. Choose it. The only argument you could make against choice is that you've got no choice in the matter. You must choose a metaphysical stance that makes sense to you. But obviously such a statement aknowledges choice in the matter. Merely objectifying the issue puts choices before us and no matter what we do we are confronted with the ultimate responsibility of our own being. We have no choice in the matter, we have to believe in choice. Just kidding. You don't really have to if you don't want to. See? John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
