[John]
Bottom-up creation doesn't make any sense. Take the founders of
America - as a society. The social patterns created were a
reflection of intellectual ideas.
[Arlo]
On the contrary, I'd say top-down creation makes no sense. So here's
these intellectual ideas, predating social and biological and
inorganic patterns, just floating there giving birth to the cosmos.
I think what's confusing you here is the idea that bottom-up creation
entails no feedback. Of course it does. Of course once intellectual
patterns emerged from their social foundations they influenced these
social patterns (and to many extents biological patterns as well!).
Social patterns once emerged from their biological origins played a
substantial role in altering biological evolution. Hell, the
advertising/distribution/production network of soda has sent diabetes
cases soaring, especially in lower socio-economic areas. But this
does not mean that biological patterns are "created" by social
patterns, only that they are manipulated by them. Biological patterns
precede social patterns by Millenia.
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