Thanks Ian, for the enjoyable exchange.

> Discernment ... I'm talking quality not intellect.
> (Apart from choice of words, I don't think we're disagreeing.)
>

That's an interesting distinction.  I can see it tho.  There is a "feeling"
that comes before intellectual analysis which is the heart of discernment.
 They go together, but they are differing things.  Only a true Pirsigian
would catch that, imo.  Discernment is when your moral compass swings a
certain direction and you know it.  Intellect is the tool we use to pick at
our discernment to see what it indicates and how we ought to act.  If you
have a small intellect (even a highly intelligent person can have a small
intellect because it's not excercized enough - like for instance, through
watching too much tv ;-) and you can have a social system which tromps all
over discernment to the point that Nazi guards can throw Jewish babies into
the gas chamber with nary a qualm.

So each faculty needs to be exercized in order to grow them.  I guess
discerning is what Ham terms the "valuing agent", which must be in order for
value to exist.  But I gotta wonder about that Ham sometimes.  What does a
valuing agent experience if HE is fundamental?  Himself?

Ham?  Hmmm?
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