On 24 Feb 2010 at 1:46, Khoo Hock Aun wrote: > Hi Platt, > Isn't Zen cool? Makes you look at words in all kinds of ways. You read > into them whatyou want and out comes Quality like a rabbit out of a > hat. > > No need to thank me, the realisation is all yours and as Mary says its > the most important thing you will ever make. > > By the way, since you say my explanations have supported Bo's > contentions, what's the colour of the number 3?
Chartreuse. :-) Platt > > On 2/23/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Khoo, > > > > Very, very helpful. Thanks so much. Not only do you explain the > > meaning of the directive I questioned but you support Bo's contention > > that the MOQ is outside the intellectual level's S/O-based language. > > > > I'll keep you post as a reminder of how easy it is to drift away from the > > Quality of direct experience. > > > > As for your question at the end, the paradox doesn't appear in ZAMM or > > Lila. It's one I conjured up myself But after your explanation, it's not > > important. Or rather, the seeming paradox is solved by acknowledging it > > as perhaps interesting to logicians but essentially "specious." > > > > Thanks again, > > Platt > > > > On 23 Feb 2010 at 19:11, Khoo Hock Aun wrote: > > > >> Hi Platt, > >> > >> In reference to Shido Bunan's Zen quote: > >> > >> "Die, while alive, > >> And be completely dead; > >> Then do whatever you will > >> All is good" > >> > >> which the MOQ translates this as: > >> "While sustaining biological and social patterns > >> Kill all intellectual patterns > >> Kill them completely > >> And then follow Dynamic Quality > >> And morality will be served" > >> > >> Platt freely admits: > >> I don't understand what this means and look to you for > >> enlightenment. I believe if you don't use intellectual patterns you won't > >> last long on this earth. Let's face it: Hens don't lay soft-boiled eggs > >> and > >> bulldogs don't have rubber teeth. > >> > >> Platt had previously asked : > >> I dare say the Buddha continued to make choices after enlightenment as > >> does > >> the Dalai Lama today even if you consider their choices irrelevant such as > >> what to eat and when to sleep, both essential to life. But I grant that > >> they > >> could live without the conveniences of modern life. Personally I prefer > >> modern plumbing and aspirin. > >> > >> Khoo: > >> I know this is a tough one. Enlightenment is something you give yourself > >> though. Everyone has to work it out for himself or herself and I can only > >> share my experiences and what little I know. > >> > >> As for this quote its as if Pirsig laid this down towards the end of his > >> book to send out a test pattern signal > >> that would only be recieved by a reader who "gets it" Like anyone who gets > >> this, gets the whole MOQ > >> thingy. If you dont get this quote or think you got it, but didnt actually > >> get it, then you haven't figured out the > >> MOQ. Lets look at it from the Zen viewpoint, to which of course I think > >> Pirsig tries to orient the reader. > >> > >> I have a quote from Thomas Merton, who wrote Zen and the Birds of Appetite > >> 1968, in the thick of the hippie era, ah, they keep popping up: > >> > >> " The language used by Zen is therefore in some sense an antilanguage, and > >> the "logic" of Zen is a radical reversal of philosophic logic. The human > >> dilemma of communication is that we cannot communicate ordinarily without > >> words and signs but even ordinary experience tends to be falsified by our > >> habits of verbalisation and rationalisation. The convenient tools of > >> language enable us to decide beforehand what we think things mean, and > >> tempt > >> us all too easily to see things only in a way that fits our logical > >> preconceptions and our verbal formulas. > >> > >> "Instead of seeing things an facts as they are, we see them as > >> reflections > >> and verifications of the sentences we have previously made up in our > >> minds. > >> We quickly forget how to simply see things and substitute our words and > >> formulas for the things themselves, manipulating facts so that we see only > >> what conveniently fits our prejudices. > >> > >> "Zen uses language against itself to blast out these preconceptions and to > >> destroy the specious "reality" in our minds so we can see directly. Zen is > >> saying, as Wittgenstein said, "Don't think: Look !" > >> > >> A Zen-like stance stands out as how the Buddha and other Buddhas as they > >> arise would view the world. He has achieved the state where there is no > >> more > >> karmic vector to be born again. The karmic vector though of his present > >> life > >> in his present body and social status persists though until it is > >> exhausted > >> in his death. The Buddha mind is one of permanent non-attachment; he eats > >> and drinks whatever is presented only for sustenance. For him the body is > >> only a vehicle that has already taken him to his destination. Having > >> arrived, all choices are therefore rather irrelevant. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
